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Old 05-20-2007, 11:55 AM    (permalink
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Im really confused is Corey Simon still with the colts
Yes, but as of right now it looks likely that he will get cut.
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The Eagles are too low, 13th? They belong in the top 10. They don't have the top end talent at DE like some teams, we don't have a Julius Peppers, but assuming Kearse is healthy (which I am for this scenario) the Eagles have one of the deepest DL's in the NFL. At DE last season when Kearse and Howard were both starting they were dominating, we were able to wear teams down by constantly throwing fresh DE's at their tackles. Kearse, Howard, Trent Cole, Juqua Thomas, and Victor Abiamiri is an extremely solid unit that I would take over many of the teams listed above the Eagles. Watching that rotation is going to be fun this year.
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Here are the DT rankings. I think these are a little better personally.

http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn...c.php?t=205736

http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn...c.php?t=205133



i like the steelers rankin #3
but i honestly think that jamaal williams is a little better than casey hampton
but it is very close so it wouldnt matter who is 3 and 4
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This might sound homerish but the Panthers are too low.

They've got two excellent starters who're better than most in the league in Kemoeatu and Jenkins who played very well.

Then there's Damoine Lewis who's great on passing downs and we've got depth in Moorehead and Carstens who've both got over 15 games starting experience and did well when they were called upon to start.

Carstens was part of the top 5 defense. Every year we rotate them in and see no drop in production in the middle. I don't know of any team who has 5 defensive tackles with starting experience in top 10 defenses.
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Old 05-21-2007, 10:04 AM    (permalink
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the giants should be higher than the panthers- peppers and rucker? peppers is great but rucker sucks. osi and strahan AND tuck AND kiwi rule. i would say they are not as good as the saints however
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the giants should be higher than the panthers- peppers and rucker? peppers is great but rucker sucks. osi and strahan AND tuck AND kiwi rule. i would say they are not as good as the saints however
i think Giants should be higher too but question..wasnt Tuck getting moved to DT or something and Kiwki to OLB?
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Old 05-21-2007, 05:24 PM    (permalink
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Yes, but as of right now it looks likely that he [Corey Simon] will get cut.
I'm not sure how financially feasible Simon being cut outright is, quite honestly. Maybe the recent ruling, rather support for the Lelie ruling within the last year, forces that hand, I don't know.

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The list takes more into consideration than just sacks. The Raiders D was padded last year by the passing stat, but honestly, we sucked against the run, which is all teams did to us because they took huge leads. I'm not taking away from what the secondary did, but Burgess was one of the only consistent run stoppers and he was average in that department. I don't think it was a championship d. If those young guys for Oak can trun it up and contribute and Burgess plays the run better, then I'd call it championship. Brayton is most likely moving inside, so that shows what kind of depth we were really working with, and what we have going forward, i hope Huntley and Moses can play...
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Old 05-21-2007, 06:10 PM    (permalink
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The list takes more into consideration than just sacks. The Raiders D was padded last year by the passing stat, but honestly, we sucked against the run, which is all teams did to us because they took huge leads.
This is a huge derail, but the common held opinion that the Raiders were awful against the run last year is totally false. Teams ran on Oakland because they often got leads and because it was infinitely preferably to trying to pass on that secondary.

Oakland only surrendered 4.0 YPC (tied for 11th in the league) while being run on more than any other team in the NFL. For reference, the second most run on team in the NFL last year, Indianapolis, surrendered 5.3 YPC (32nd in the league).

While Oakland was run on early and often, they were actually quite good against the run, all things considered.
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its really just amazing how the offenses failure reflects so poorly on the defense. the raiders had a championship defense but a high school offence, and for their d-line to be ranked behind denvers is misguided. denver was very ok last year.
More like pee wee flag football offense.
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Old 05-21-2007, 06:55 PM    (permalink
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This is a huge derail, but the common held opinion that the Raiders were awful against the run last year is totally false. Teams ran on Oakland because they often got leads and because it was infinitely preferably to trying to pass on that secondary.

Oakland only surrendered 4.0 YPC (tied for 11th in the league) while being run on more than any other team in the NFL. For reference, the second most run on team in the NFL last year, Indianapolis, surrendered 5.3 YPC (32nd in the league).

While Oakland was run on early and often, they were actually quite good against the run, all things considered.
Not to mention that our defense was on the field all of the time, and teams got their best plays primarily on the late 4th quarter.
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I remember making a similar argument some time ago. The Raiders defense wasn't just on its own, but it had to overcome the turnovers, poor field position, and lack of rest courtesy of the offense.
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Trust me I know the agony of the 2006 Raiders, the offense put the defense in tough positions, but the run D was 25th overall I believe, and yes you can attribute that to bad field position, and always playing from behind, I was just poitning out that OAK needs a lot of work here before I'd call them champions defensively. The secondary was killer, but the d-line play outside of Sapp and Burgess was very average, if not bad sometimes...
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