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Old 05-24-2007, 06:28 PM    (permalink
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If I were to put Charlie Frye on that list instead of Brady Quinn, then he would be probably ranked 30th. :(
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Not including backup Qbs:

1-Russell
2-Culpepper
3-Vick
4-Cutler
5-Leftwich
6-Favre
7-Losman
8-Palmer
9-Roethlisberger
10-Young
11-E.Manning
12-T.Jackson
13-Grossman
14-Quinn
15-A.Smith
16-McNabb
17-Campbell
18-McNair
19-P.Manning
20-Brady
21-Schaub
22-Leinart
23-Bulger
24-Simms
25-Hasselbeck
26-Romo
27-T.Green
28-Kitna
29-Rivers
30-Delhomme
31-Brees
32-Pennington
Vince Young is too high. I think he's bottom half of the league. Same for Alex Smith. Quinn should be below 20.

Rivers is a little low. He had a stronger arm coming out of school than Schuab. It's certainly an awkward motion but he can get it down the field. Hasselbeck should be higher as should McNabb.

Pretty good list though.
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Delhomme's arm is way, way, way, way too underrated. He downright fires lasers over short distances, he should be around 14 same with Simms and Bulger.
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Campbell should be in the upper percentile of the league. Almost every game he started, I remember an announcer mentioning how he was throwing 30 yard frozen ropes.
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Vince Young is too high. I think he's bottom half of the league. Same for Alex Smith. Quinn should be below 20.

Rivers is a little low. He had a stronger arm coming out of school than Schuab. It's certainly an awkward motion but he can get it down the field. Hasselbeck should be higher as should McNabb.

Pretty good list though.
Vince has a rocket. He throws a prettier ball than most seasoned vets. Smith has a pretty good gun too. Quinn's arm is really good, almost as good as Palmer's, his deep ball accuracy has nothing to do with how strong his arm is. Rivers doesn't have a great arm, that's not why he's good.
All the guys I had ranked 21-32 don't have what scouts would call "strong" arms.
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Smith has a pretty good gun too.
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Strengths: Extremely smart player...Has good height...A leader and field general...Accurate passer with excellent timing...Good speed and very good mobility...Top intangibles and a winner...Very efficient with a tremendous TD/INT ratio...Still getting better and has a lot of upside.

Weaknesses: Has enough arm strength, but not a gun...Stats are inflated because he plays in such a wide open offensive scheme...Plays out of the shotgun a lot...Some are concerned he is just a system quarterback...Could stand to add some weight and bulk up.

Notes: Entered college as a junior academically because he took so many advanced placement courses in high school, earned a bachelors degree as a 20-year-old sophomore and was working on his masters as a junior...Michigan St. coach John L. Smith is his uncle...Played with USC running back Reggie Bush in high school...Chose to head to the pros since coach Urban Meyer moved on to Florida and should be one of the top signal callers available.
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http://youtube.com/watch?v=yokedYOUq7g

1:30 Vick throws 50 yards while on the run with TERRIBLE footing and form.

2:10 Vick throws for 60-65 yards on the run.
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Vince has a rocket. He throws a prettier ball than most seasoned vets. Smith has a pretty good gun too. Quinn's arm is really good, almost as good as Palmer's, his deep ball accuracy has nothing to do with how strong his arm is. Rivers doesn't have a great arm, that's not why he's good.
All the guys I had ranked 21-32 don't have what scouts would call "strong" arms.
You've obviously never seen a Panthers' game.
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yeah, he has a nice deep ball, and he throws REAL hard on short and intermediate routes.
what QB's game was deep balls besides Culpepper with Moss? Our offense just never had a real deep threat that we can just throw it real deep. We might see this year with Moss and Stallworth but i've seen Brady make 55-60 yard passes with accuracy.

i know Brady's arm isnt top 5 or top 10 maybe but hes definatley top 15
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You've obviously never seen a Panthers' game.
I live in South Carolina. Most every starting QB in the NFL has a strong arm save a few finesse passers ala Brees and Pennington. But Delhomme is not in the class of McNabb and Campbell and Grossman, etc.
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I don't think you can rank them 1-32, but you can put them in tiers, no order in the specific tiers. This includes borderline starters/prominent back ups too. I think this is a pretty accurate way of "ranking" players arm strength.

Tier 1- freak- an arm like this comes out the draft maybe three times a decade

Russell
Vick

Tier 2- very strong arm- usually one or two of these will go in the first round of the draft, have some of the strongest arms in the league but the NFL has seen them before, unlike the Vicks and Russels.

Culpepper
Roethlisberger
Palmer
Cutler
Leftwich
McNabb
Grossman
Carr
D. Anderson
Losman

Tier 3- Strong Arm- Have no problem making all the throws, arm strength is viewed as a positive, but they don't have the elite arms of teir 2. Majority of NFL QBs who stick around.

P Manning
E Manning
Jackson
Favre (used to be in tier 2 but is aging)
Campbell
Brady
Quinn
Simms
Romo
Delhomme
McCown
Rodgers
McNair
Edwards
Kolb
T. Smith
Croyle
Harrington
Garrard
Gray
Walters
Brooks

Tier 4- Solid, Good Enough- have arms that are just good enough. Make up for a lack of a cannon through excellent accuracy or great mobility.

Bulger
Young
Smith
Rivers
Green
Kitna
Brees
Schaub
Beck
Huard
Ferotte
Nall
Rosenfels
Wallace

Tier 5-Average at best or slightly below- Arm strength is a concern, and they are better at touch, fades then all out stretching the field throwng bombs because they have limited range. Can still drill short passes, but cant throw deep outs on a rope. Must have exceptional anticipation and accuracy to succeed.

Hasslebeck
Pennington
Leinart
Dorsey
Garcia
Holcomb
Rattay
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I agree with BlacknGold's tier rankings for the most part.

I do think Brees has a better arm than people give him credit for. It's in the lower half pure strength wise, but I don't think he has the second weakest arm of all starting QBs either.

He was spot on with his deep passes last season. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TcQqsXTujg
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Brees should be in the bottom tier. He is good, but the only starting QBs with weaker throwing arms than him are probably Pennington and maybe Leinart, Frye, etc, all those guys I listed off the top-o-my head

You should throw Charlie Frye into that bottom tier mix and Drew Stanton should be in that 2nd tier. Good post though. I agree that you can't really rank the QBs 1-32 unless you're like a scout or someone with no life
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Vince has a rocket. He throws a prettier ball than most seasoned vets. Smith has a pretty good gun too. Quinn's arm is really good, almost as good as Palmer's, his deep ball accuracy has nothing to do with how strong his arm is. Rivers doesn't have a great arm, that's not why he's good.
All the guys I had ranked 21-32 don't have what scouts would call "strong" arms.
Um, I going to disagree with every here. I'm to lazy to dig up anything on VY's scouting report but he does not have a gun. He may throw a pretty deep ball but that is a lot different that a pure gun. I don't think he's much different that Rivers in terms of pure arm strength.

Quinns arm is solid, hardly great though and I don't think anywhere near Palmers. He floated a lot of deep balls at ND. Check his scouting reports to - never was labeled a guy with a "great arm."

You've already been shown some stuff on Alex Smith. I put him in the Rivers/Young category of having a nice deep ball but not really great arm strength.

Delhomme does have a pretty solid arm. He may not be the most accurate but he can chuck it down the field.
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McNair's arm is shot. He probably can still fling it every once in a while if he needs to, but I have doubts that he can do it consistently anymore. He used to have a gun though.
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Young can throw some frozen ropes, he's got a great arm, just has a weird throwing motion. I've never seen a tighter spiral than on his ball either.

But to all the nitpickers, the only guys who are considered to have really great arms that feed off of arm strenght are Russell, Culpepper, Losman, Favre, Grossman, etc. (someone listed them earlier). See the point about the tiers too.
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Not to be too much of a homer but Brodie Croyle is probably in the top 15. He had the 2nd strongest arm in last years draft after Jay Cutler. Despite his small stature Croyle has a cannon for an arm and can make any throw within 65 or 70 yards.
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I agree with BlacknGold's tier rankings for the most part.

I do think Brees has a better arm than people give him credit for. It's in the lower half pure strength wise, but I don't think he has the second weakest arm of all starting QBs either.

He was spot on with his deep passes last season. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TcQqsXTujg
This is probably another reason why Brees going to NO was the best thing for him, SD, and NO. In SD, he was never asked to throw that deep consistently and thus it affected his deep balls when he did throw it. In other words, the system in NO is better for Brees than it was in SD. He finally gets to show what he can do instead of being in LT's shadow. Of course, he still needs to work on some more consistency. Looking at those vids, there were several throws where the receiver had to slow down to catch, which is a big no no when it comes to throwing it deep. But that's just me being picky.
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My top 10

1. Michael Vick
2. JaMarcus Russell
3. Carson Palmer
4. Jay Cutler
5. Kyle Boller
6. Bryon Leftwich
7. Tarvaris Jackson (Can't believe he hasn't been mentioned more)
8. Brett Favre
9. Donovan McNabb
10. Daunte Culpepper

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18-McNair
19-P.Manning
20-Brady
21-Schaub
22-Leinart
23-Bulger
24-Simms
25-Hasselbeck
26-Romo
27-T.Green
28-Kitna
29-Rivers
30-Delhomme
31-Brees
32-Pennington
Dude I love McNair, but there's no way he has a better arm than Brady, Manning, Bulger, Hasselbeck, etc. He's in the bottom of the league right now as far as arm strength. He used to have a great arm but it's really diminished. He can't make all the throws and he doesn't have a lot of zip on his ball.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezBirTxWvU4

Delhomme does have a good arm.
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Chris simms has the best deep ball acc. and he has a arm too
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1.Jamarcus Russel
2.Michael Vick
3. Donovan mcnabb
4.Jay Cutler
5.Carson Palmer
6.JP Losman
7.Daunte Culppeper
8.Brett Favre
9.Rex Grossman
10.Peyton Manning
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I think Russell Vick and Leftwich are deffently 1,2,3
And a toss up 4 and 5



1. JaMarcus Russell
2. Michael Vick
3. Byron Leftwich
4. Jay Cutler
5. Carson Palmer
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