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Any word on how the league is going to address it next season?

I'm watching the NFLN Replay of the saints game and the Aaron Smith "Roughing" Penalty on Drew Brees.

Are we moving to having the QB's wear flags? I just want to know if we should just upgrade the offense and forget about trying to build a pass rush. Because frankly, that really screwed up a lot of games last year.

I know the bengals would've been in the playoffs had it not been for the Joke of a QB Roughing Penalty against Justin Smith for Gradkowski.

And The call against Aaron Smith for being pushed in the back and pulling Brees' sock down. I mean, honestly.


Then I sit and wonder, where were those refs in the atlanta game when Ben was massacred with a late hit, helmet to helmet, and another guy leading with his helmet.
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I think all Packer fans remember the Cullen Jenkins "roughing" on Matt Hasselbeck on Monday Night Football
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I remeber that, it was bs. This was too: http://youtube.com/watch?v=d9KmXAmMTjw.
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It's hard to say what they'll do. Obviously there were a lot of bad calls, but they do want to protect QBs. I think it'll end up being better than last year, but I would be surprised if there weren't still a good amount of phantom calls.
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I think all Packer fans remember the Cullen Jenkins "roughing" on Matt Hasselbeck on Monday Night Football
I think there was 2 problems about it.

1) They were inconsistent. There was really gruesome hits that they let go, then there were plays (Like the 2 i mentioned) that were absolute jokes and were called. I believe Gradkowski still had the ball when he was tackled.

2) They were overprotective. I'm not to see anyone get hurt, but they need to let the guys play.
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I remeber that, it was bs. This was too: http://youtube.com/watch?v=d9KmXAmMTjw.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=QfS9KQsExgs ~ The gradkowski "Sack".

I wish I could find a picture of the Brees Roughing.
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I remeber that, it was bs. This was too: http://youtube.com/watch?v=d9KmXAmMTjw.

wow taht was bs
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it wasn't the fact that he still had the ball it was the fact that he was driven into the ground(still ***)

i agree that the NFL needs to just let players play
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it wasn't the fact that he still had the ball it was the fact that he was driven into the ground(still ***)

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on sundays they should just wear skirts cuz every single thing they do is illegal
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I think all Packer fans remember the Cullen Jenkins "roughing" on Matt Hasselbeck on Monday Night Football
That was a terrible call.

But they are VERY inconsistent. I'm sure it's a problem for all QBs, but Hasselbeck was hit several times last season way late or rough and they didn't call it. They have just as many terrible non-calls as they do terrible calls. Hell, a few years ago a Ravens D-lineman was choking Hasselbeck, with 2 referees pulling him off and they didn't call anything.
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That was a terrible call.

But they are VERY inconsistent. I'm sure it's a problem for all QBs, but Hasselbeck was hit several times last season way late or rough and they didn't call it. They have just as many terrible non-calls as they do terrible calls. Hell, a few years ago a Ravens D-lineman was choking Hasselbeck, with 2 referees pulling him off and they didn't call anything.
I still point out that big hit in atlanta that put Ben out. 2 guys lead in with their helmets (1, helmet to helmet, 2 leading in with helmet) and the other guy dove low.. that was 50,000 the impact of that aaron smith roughing.
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I still point out that big hit in atlanta that put Ben out. 2 guys lead in with their helmets (1, helmet to helmet, 2 leading in with helmet) and the other guy dove low.. that was 50,000 the impact of that aaron smith roughing.

ya i was mad they didnt call it
he was finally turnin the corner again and then bam hes out of the groove again
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they need to fix it. i still have the Tampa Bay game fresh in my mind
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they need to fix it. i still have the Tampa Bay game fresh in my mind
I'm normally not one to agree with a conference rival, but that was a ******** call. I watched that game and was like.. this season is ruined for the bengals.
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they need to fix it. i still have the Tampa Bay game fresh in my mind
That game cost us the #3 pick. That could've meant less compensation in a trade-up for CJ and a done deal
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I remeber that, it was bs. This was too: http://youtube.com/watch?v=d9KmXAmMTjw.
That was clearly a penalty. The guy tried to knock manning over with his shoulders after Manning through the ball. The fact taht he was so awful at it and barely hit him doesn't really matter.
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more importantly, it cost the bengals a playoff spot.
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more importantly, it cost the bengals a playoff spot.
Funny, I thought your holder was responsible for that.
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Funny, I thought your holder was responsible for that.
nono, if anything it was our long snapper. BUt if we would have won the Tampa Bay game like we should have, we would have been in the playoffs anyway
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Michael Clayton's juggling catch was just as instrumental in keeping the Bengals out of the playoffs :)
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Im not saying we should be letting defenders get cheap shots in on the QB, but yeah they just need to calm down with all of it cuz its gotten to the point you cant even touch the QB. Its a severe penalty and they shouldnt be throwing the flag unless it was a clear cheap shot.
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Im not saying we should be letting defenders get cheap shots in on the QB, but yeah they just need to calm down with all of it cuz its gotten to the point you cant even touch the QB. Its a severe penalty and they shouldnt be throwing the flag unless it was a clear cheap shot.
Yeah, it's insane right now. It's like Peyton on that youtube play.. there's no way he wanted a flag on that, the guy's a competitor and he didn't even hit the ground.

Why so much protection for one position? It's like Kiwi (it was Kiwi, right?) trying to sack VY but letting go once he thought he heard a whistle cuz he didn't want to get flagged.
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That was a terrible call.

But they are VERY inconsistent. I'm sure it's a problem for all QBs, but Hasselbeck was hit several times last season way late or rough and they didn't call it. They have just as many terrible non-calls as they do terrible calls. Hell, a few years ago a Ravens D-lineman was choking Hasselbeck, with 2 referees pulling him off and they didn't call anything.
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****, the worst I saw was Urlacher's "roughing the passer" on Brad Johnson in what Week 13. The Official Ruling: "He flexed his arms on the QB."

WTF? Urlacher pushed Johnson down after he got rid of the ball. I about died laughing when I heard the call. Laughter mixed in with a bunch of cursing.
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