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Bubba Franks ******* sucks. Des Clark is a MUCH better blocker than he is. Do you watch the Bears? Des is a much better blocker than he is reciever.
When I watch the Bears and they run the footballk I don't say holy $hit look at the block and seal that Clark got on his man.
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LB is without Briggs but with the DL the Packers have a Pro Bowl end in Aaron Kampman, Jenkins opposite him may not be able to rush the passer great but he's great against the run and KGB can rush on 3rd down, and at DT we are 4 deep and they are very capable of starting.
You could say the same thing about the Bears.
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LB is without Briggs but with the DL the Packers have a Pro Bowl end in Aaron Kampman, Jenkins opposite him may not be able to rush the passer great but he's great against the run and KGB can rush on 3rd down, and at DT we are 4 deep and they are very capable of starting.
Alex Brown, Adawale Oguleye, Mark Anderson, Tank Johnson, Anthony Adams, Tommie Harris >>>> Kampman, KGB, Jenkins, Harrell, and whoever else you have.
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When I watch the Bears and they run the footballk I don't say holy $hit look at the block and seal that Clark got on his man.
And you say that about Bubba Franks? What the ****? Even Packers fans think that's stupid dude.
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When I watch the Bears and they run the footballk I don't say holy $hit look at the block and seal that Clark got on his man.
Maybe you should watch more. Bubba is horse crap. He's one dimensional. Des is a dual threat, how in the world does Bubba beat out Des again?
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Alex Brown, Adawale Oguleye, Mark Anderson, Tank Johnson, Anthony Adams, Tommie Harris >>>> Kampman, KGB, Jenkins, Harrell, and whoever else you have.
Don't forget Johnny Jholly and Colin Cole. They may be jobbers but their names make me laugh.

You also forgot Dusty Dvoracek, Dan Bazuin, and Israel Idonije for us.
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Don't forget Johnny Jholly and Colin Cole. They may be jobbers but their names make me laugh.

You also forgot Dusty Dvoracek, Dan Bazuin, and Israel Idonije for us.
Yea but I didn't want it to go that far 51', I had to give them hope. :D
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See sweetness, this is why it was a bad idea.

The Bears scored 427 points and allowed 255 last year.

The Packers scored 301 and allowed 366.

The Bears won 15 games.

The Packers won 8.

I don't care how much you think you've gained in the last 5-6 months. The Bears are still a much more talented team.
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Alex Brown, Adawale Oguleye, Mark Anderson, Tank Johnson, Anthony Adams, Tommie Harris >>>> Kampman, KGB, Jenkins, Harrell, and whoever else you have.
Aaron Kampman >> Alex Brown/Adewale Ogunleye
Cullen Jenkins = Alex Brown/Adewale Ogunleye
KGB < Mark Anderson

Aaron Kampman, Cullen Jenkins, KGB > Alex Brown, Adewale Ogunleye, Mark Anderson

Ryan Pickett << Tommie Harris
Corey Williams = Tank Johnson
Justin Harrell > Anthony Adams

Ryan Pickett, Corey Williams, Justin Harrell < Tommie Harris, Tank Johnson, Anthony Adams
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And you say that about Bubba Franks? What the ****? Even Packers fans think that's stupid dude.
I hardly get them to have the same views as me anyways. We look at football differently. They all think that Brandon Jackson will be great, James Jones will be the next Sterling Sharpe, and Ted Thompson sure knows what he's doing. Me, not so much. With the TE issue the Packers are one deep at the position for the most part so I can see where you guys are coming from b/c in a way Olsen and Clark compliment each other, but with everything else I don't expect them to agree with me anyways.
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Alex and Wale have been to the Probowl, what has Cullen Jenkins done?

And Dusty Dvoracek will be our 3rd tackle most like just for the record.
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I hardly get them to have the same views as me anyways. We look at football differently. They all think that Brandon Jackson will be great, James Jones will be the next Sterling Sharpe, and Ted Thompson sure knows what he's doing. Me, not so much. With the TE issue the Packers are one deep at the position for the most part so I can see where you guys are coming from b/c in a way Olsen and Clark compliment each other, but with everything else I don't expect them to agree with me anyways.
Fair enough. I'm just really confused how you could call it square, especially on blocking.
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Fair enough. I'm just really confused how you could call it square, especially on blocking.
This may not be easy but I have to admit I may have been wrong and you guys made a fair enough argument but I would still say that Bubba is a better blocker than Desmond but Bubba has become one-dimensional and isn't the redzone threat he use to be.
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Your defense is old.

Tank Johnson won't even play this year. Alex Brown wants out.

Devin hester will have the Dante Hall and Desmond Howard effect on offense. Which means he won't have nothing.

Lance Briggs won't play for you. Our LB corps is much better.
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If you look at it from a potential standpoint its Green Bay, but if guys like Jennings, Colledge, Spitz, Jenkins, Poppinga, and Collins dont play up to that potential then it will spell trouble.
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Oh Jesus Christ...can we have a no Jim Jim rule? Is there anyone that doesn't agree he's legally reeeeeetarded.

Our defense is old? Name the starters that are over 30 and get back to me.

Tank Johnson won't play for us this year? Have you read a newspaper lately?

The rest is purely speculation.
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Your defense is old.

Tank Johnson won't even play this year. Alex Brown wants out.

Devin hester will have the Dante Hall and Desmond Howard effect on offense. Which means he won't have anything

Lance Briggs won't play for you. Our LB corps is much better.
wont have nothing??? come on now, actually im not even sure if "wont have anything" is correct too
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Your defense is old.

Tank Johnson won't even play this year. Alex Brown wants out.

Devin hester will have the Dante Hall and Desmond Howard effect on offense. Which means he won't have nothing.

Lance Briggs won't play for you. Our LB corps is much better.
Our defense is old?

Vasher - 25
Urlacher - 28
Tillman - 26
Harris - 24
Wale - 29
Brown - 29
Brown - 27
Archuleta - 29
Hillenmeyer - 26
Johnson - 25
Briggs - 26

God we're ancient I tell ya.

Edit: And about Hester, if anything he's going to be a great decoy, ala Reggie Bush. Meaning wherever he goes, the defense is going to follow him.
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One thing that I didn't mention in the team rankings and who's better is the category of coach and management. This obviously goes to the Bears. This isn't bashing the Packers b/c Ted Thompson and Mike McCarthy have the organization headed in the right direction, but Angelo and Smith have the Bears where the Packers are aiming. The Bears quality players that seem to step in there, play, and make in animpact right away. Lovie coaches those inexperienced to be ready when called upon and they've responded. Vasher, Hester, and Anderson are three names that have done this of late. McCarthy does a great job with the Packers young players but he can't do it to the level of Lovie and that may be due to the lack of veteran leadership that Lovie can throw those guys with compared to what Green Bay has.
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One thing that I didn't mention in the team rankings and who's better is the category of coach and management. This obviously goes to the Bears. This isn't bashing the Packers b/c Ted Thompson and Mike McCarthy have the organization headed in the right direction, but Colangelo and Smith have the Bears where the Packers are aiming. The Bears quality players that seem to step in there, play, and make in animpact right away. Lovie coaches those inexperienced to be ready when called upon and they've responded. Vasher, Hester, and Anderson are three names that have done this of late. McCarthy does a great job with the Packers young players but he can't do it to the level of Lovie and that may be due to the lack of veteran leadership that Lovie can throw those guys with compared to what Green Bay has.
At least get our GM's name right man, it's Angelo.
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Oh Jesus Christ...can we have a no Jim Jim rule? Is there anyone that doesn't agree he's legally reeeeeetarded.

Our defense is old? Name the starters that are over 30 and get back to me.

Tank Johnson won't play for us this year? Have you read a newspaper lately?

The rest is purely speculation.
Moose
Fred Miller
Kreutz?
Tit...I mean Tait
Desmond Clark
Ogunleye?
Ayanbendayjo(who might have to start)
Archaleta?

?=30 this year

EDIT=I just realized he just said Defense
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Our defense is old?

Vasher - 25
Urlacher - 28
Tillman - 26
Harris - 24
Wale - 29
Brown - 29
Brown - 27
Archuleta - 29
Hillenmeyer - 26
Johnson - 25
Briggs - 26

God we're ancient I tell ya.
This alone should discredit Jim Jim.

It's like he finds the most illogical stupid argument and runs with it into infinity. If there was a block function he would be the only person I'd use it on. His thoughts are about as valueable as my stool after a night of Taco Bell.
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Moose
Fred Miller
Kreutz?
Tit...I mean Tait
Desmond Clark
Ogunleye?
Ayanbendayjo(who might have to start)
Archaleta?

?=30 this year
Defense. Our offense is partially aging, but so is yours.
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At least get our GM's name right man, it's Angelo.
Thats what I wanted to put so idk why I put Col-Angelo
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Alex and Wale have been to the Probowl, what has Cullen Jenkins done?

And Dusty Dvoracek will be our 3rd tackle most like just for the record.

Adewale went to the Pro Bowl in '03 when he was playing on a stacked Dolphins' defense (3rd in points). He hasn't since. He had 6.5 sacks this past year.

Alex Brown has never been to the Pro Bowl. He had 7 sacks this year.


I'm not sure which is considered better, so I put both for each. Assuming Ogunleye is the better of the two, I think he is trumped handedly by Kampman. That leaves Jenkins, who had 6.5 sacks last year (in a limited role) and is a force against the run at 6'3 290, and Brown. I think the two are just about the same production wise. That and Jenkins is a beast. Just me though.

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