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Old 10-05-2010, 08:36 PM    (permalink
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**** a third round pick. We better be getting more then a third round pick for this. I am not ready to see Moss go :(..... so we at least better be getting a steal if he leaves.
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The offense doesn't depend on Moss for ****. They've always had that underneath ****. Always. The offense might be more methodical, but that will help the defense more than anything because they'll eat up more clock.
This is not true. It'll hurt if we do this, hurt bad. Hope to dear god we don't do this unless they're willing to do something really stupid good for us.
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This is not true. It'll hurt if we do this, hurt bad. Hope to dear god we don't do this unless they're willing to do something really stupid good for us.
Exactly, why would we do this for a third or even a second round pick when teams throw picks in the second or third round at us all the time just to move up a few picks. We dont need the extra third for Moss..... and dont tell me other teams wouldnt give us more for him.
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I really think this doesn't happen in the end.
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If he leaves they get a 2012 comp pick. 4th round at least maybe 3rd. Trade gets them a third maybe a 2nd in 2011. Why not keep him and then franchise him?
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If he leaves they get a 2012 comp pick. 4th round at least maybe 3rd. Trade gets them a third maybe a 2nd in 2011. Why not keep him and then franchise him?
That's what most of us are hoping for. Randy Moss is worth so much more than two third round players that likely will wash out of the league in a few years. Hell, we probably won't even use those picks.
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Would anyone care to explain to me why the **** we are close to trading Randy?
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Because Bill Belichick ******* hates our guts.
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he wasnt gunna resign anyway. might as well get something for him. and we werent gunna win the superbowl this year with our crappy defense
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Still, we're a much worse team without him. Even if we don't sign/tag him next year, a few more wins this year are worth much more for us mentally and team maturity wise than a third rounder we won't use anyway.
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he wasnt gunna resign anyway. might as well get something for him. and we werent gunna win the superbowl this year with our crappy defense
Hey man, the NFL is more wide open this year then in a long time. Theres not one single team that we can point out as the best team. Right now I like our chances against most teams.
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Still, we're a much worse team without him. Even if we don't sign/tag him next year, a few more wins this year are worth much more for us mentally and team maturity wise than a third rounder we won't use anyway.
I just don't think this is true at all. You're overestimating his impact on the offense. Deion Branch and Troy Brown were getting the same underneath stuff that Welker gets with Reche Caldwell, David Givens, and David Patten on the outside... Except Welker's just a million times better after the catch because he's a stronger runner.

Moss is good and he helps the offense, but him not being there will have little negative effect on the other receivers. The big thing, to me, is that it will get Brady back to spreading the ball around more...which will make the offense a lot better and a lot more dangerous.
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I'm sick of value. All we hear about is god damned value. Yeah, it's great and all that, but let's get some ******* wins.
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We're all underrating Moss because we're going to lose him and he's getting older. It's going to be a miserable year at times offensively if we unload him. We were not at all more effective in years past where we had to spread the ball around more. A true number one receiver is such a valuable asset.
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Having another third rounder would be nice, but I'd rather have Moss around even if he doesn't re-sign for a variety of reasons.

1. The obvious, he is still one of the most dangerous receivers in the game.

2. He makes the entire offense better around him.

3. We could make a run this year in the playoffs, and I truly believe that. If the defense continues to gel and players keep stepping up, this could be a very dangerous team.

4. Trading Moss could be bad in the locker room. Randy is one of the leaders, and even though he didn't catch a ball and looked out of it at times he was still being supportive on the sidelines and everything.

Watch this video, this is from our locker room after we beat the Bengals this year. Randy breaks the team down at the end...

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I don't think the offense will be affected negatively as you think. It might be different, but not necessarily worse (if it's not better).

Moss might go blow up for insane stats on some other team, but he's not doing much for the Pats this year, and that's not going to change. The success they've had on offense this year has been in spite of Moss.

Would I rather keep him? Yeah, sure. But I don't think they'll be hurting without him...it will just be slightly different.
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Agree 100%. I honestly feel like it would be an arrogant dickheaded move to trade him at this point. It makes no sense from the perspective of winning football games. We've done very little with that objective in mind as of late.
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Anything less than a 2012 first would be insane to give Randy Moss up for.

Vikings + Moss + Favre = they will draft in the low 30s, high 20s. In the third round that's mid to high 90s.

edit: Moss for AP would be more than acceptable. ;)
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I don't think the offense will be affected negatively as you think. It might be different, but not necessarily worse (if it's not better).

Moss might go blow up for insane stats on some other team, but he's not doing much for the Pats this year, and that's not going to change. The success they've had on offense this year has been in spite of Moss.

Would I rather keep him? Yeah, sure. But I don't think they'll be hurting without him...it will just be slightly different.
Slightly? We're not just taking away a player here. We're taking away an entire element of our offense.

I'm sorry, but sometimes I really, really, really ******* hate cheering for a team that can afford to lose everybody.
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A 1st would be the only thing I'd really like to get out of this. Also, Brady is gonna be hella pissed.
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Im in 2 minds about this.

Will it affect the offense? Yes
Will some players be displeased? Yes
Would I like to keep Randy? Yes

But, he was more than likely gone after the season anyway and if we can get value for the long term then it is worth it. I know it's hard seeing good players leave and pass us by in the draft, but I would much prefer to support a team which will be competitive for the long run through making moves like this than a team like the Vikings or Jets who are throwing all their eggs in one basket for a two year span.

If we get a 2nd for Moss that leaves 2 1sts and 3 2nds. As people have been alluding to in the thread in the pro football forum, would you prefer Clay Matthews or Butler, Tate, Edelman and Gronk? If we can get more players early in the draft for the long term for Randy Moss for 12 or so more games then IMO it's definitely worth it.
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Only a 3rd rounder. Im disappointed. Although it looks as though all may not have been well beneath the surface now
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That's what most of us are hoping for. Randy Moss is worth so much more than two third round players that likely will wash out of the league in a few years. Hell, we probably won't even use those picks.
They better get a lot more than that for Moss.
If people don't think Moss is that good because he had no catches Monday night, they better watch the tape of him toasting Revis and snapping Revis' hamstring.

Moss opens a lot of things underneath, and when the defense doesn't respect him, he still runs past any corner in the league.

I feel for you guys if the Pats give him away for some mid-range draft pick.
The only ones almost as mad as you are Vikings-haters, and that's me.
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Well, if its a third only i'd be pretty shocked(and disappointed).

But the fact of the matter is we have no idea how good the coaching staff feels about the other WRs. If they believe Tate can take on the deep role, and hasn't had the opportunity, or what they feel about Price etc. Who knows?

Moss is probably one of my favorite players, and I don't see how we get better without him, but there has got to be more to the trade to Belichick if its only a 3rd.

Or maybe they are trading him as a courtesy to Moss? lol
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Is it weird if i was ok with trading Seymour but am ******* pissed that we're about to trade Moss?
And **** draft picks. The draft, as a Pats fan, is gonna give me a stroke.
Why'd you do that? Why'd we not get an OLB ? Who the **** is O'Connell?
Loved the Chung pick. Butler? Seriously? He's benched now for Arrington.
What about that ******* OLB we need?! Cunningham? That's gonna solve our problems?!

I'm so pissed.
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