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Old 10-12-2010, 12:16 PM    (permalink
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Branch for a 4th rounder isn't bad, as long as he can stay healthy. The last few years he has been perpetually injured.
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Randy Moss is worth a 3rd rounder and Branch is worth a 4th...That totally makes sense.
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Randy Moss is worth a 3rd rounder and Branch is worth a 4th...That totally makes sense.
Yup. Quite a nice kick in the nuts, no?
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^^^ Exactly.
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Yup. Quite a nice kick in the nuts, no?
This whole week has been a giant kick in the Favre.
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This will all be fine in my book if we get a win over the Ravens.
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The Pats might not have gotten good value, but let's not kid ourselves. They were desperate to get rid of Moss ASAP, and they were desperate to get a veteran receiver in that could integrate quickly. The only guy in the NFL who was available for the latter is Deion Branch. They had no time to negotiate with Seattle (or Minnesota) over compensation.

I'm not really worried about it. Two moves that had to be made, and they were the right moves - considering.
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What does Deion Branch bring to the offense that we don't have? Is he really more valuable than a fourth round pick? There were 3 receivers drafted in that round last year that could help the team more than he could.
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What he has over the other guys is experience in the system and in big games. He may be older, but he was a gamer and Brady loves him. It is kind of a roll of the dice getting him back but if Brady has that much confidence in him than it is worth it, it sucks we gave up a pick but honestly we always have more picks than we know what to do with.
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What does Deion Branch bring to the offense that we don't have?
A veteran receiver aside from Welker.

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Doesn't matter. They had no power to negotiate, and basically had to give Seattle what Seattle wanted.

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That doesn't help them now. Especially since their need was a veteran receiver. You can't draft veteran receivers who already know the offense in the middle of the season.
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I just don't see his role here. Edelman should be ahead of him on the depth chart, as should Tate. If this team is really about the future, we're better off getting those guys as many touches as we can to find out what we have.
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A veteran receiver aside from Welker.
I thought this team was about the future?



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Doesn't matter.
Why philosophically abandon the concept of value now of all times?


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That doesn't help them now. Especially since their need was a veteran receiver. You can't draft veteran receivers who already know the offense.
This isn't the Charlie Weis offense. There's very little in common with the scheme he ran and the one we do as of now. Is some of the terminology similar? Sure. Does that make him a more valuable player? Not in the slightest. You might not be able to draft veteran receivers, but you can draft ones that aren't washed out.
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I thought this team was about the future?
They're building to continue their success, but this team is still Super Bowl or bust.

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They had no grounds or time to negotiate.

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This isn't the Charlie Weis offense. There's very little in common with the scheme he ran and the one we do as of now. Is some of the terminology similar? Sure. Does that make him a more valuable player? Not in the slightest. You might not be able to draft veteran receivers, but you can draft ones that aren't washed out.
You can't draft players in the middle of the season. Branch's chemistry with Brady is huge. That he's a veteran receiver is huge. This offense is way more similar to Weis's than McDaniels'.
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They're building to continue their success, but this team is still Super Bowl or bust.
It's bust already then. We don't have the horses. Could we have a nice regular season and bring some momentum into the next one? Sure. But this team is not built to make a deep playoff run and Deion Branch isn't doing anything whatsoever to change that.

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You can't draft players in the middle of the season. Branch's chemistry with Brady is huge. This offense is way more similar to Weis's than McDaniels'.
Brady has had chemistry with a lot of receivers. Even is his heyday, Branch was a glorified slot receiver and now we're getting a washed up version of him. This offense isn't really that similar to Weis's either(**** IT, SCREEN). We're a much more down the field team than we ever were under Charlie.
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Lets wait and see how he performs through the regular season before we get pissed about it. I agree it looks stupid, but I'm willing to see what Branch ends up doing for us. Hopefully Brady doesnt just end up targeting him a million times during the Ravens game to get him into it, I feel like that could end up being bad news bears. Doesnt help that I'm worried about this game in general.
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I gotta agree with EE.
I love your unquestioning loyalty to the Pats though, nepg
Truth of the matter is, we should just use our young receivers and see if any of them can grow quickly (ala M.Williams in TB)
We got bad value for Moss but I agree we should get something before he leaves via FA
but to trade for Branch, midseason, when Branch hasn't played with Brady for how long now???
And think that he's just going to fit right in like he never left in the first place is sweet dreaming.
This seems like another Galloway/G.Lewis/T.Holt all over again. Zero contribution.
I think B.Tate can be a beast... here's hoping he will be.
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There is no hope for this team without a dominant pass rusher. We had better hope that a Robert Quinn or Adrian Clayborn is available when we need them. (Clayborn will demand double teams freeing up mediocre linebackers to get to the QB Clayborn + Von Miller = QB annihilation.)
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I love your unquestioning loyalty to the Pats though, nepg
Truth of the matter is, we should just use our young receivers and see if any of them can grow quickly (ala M.Williams in TB)
We got bad value for Moss but I agree we should get something before he leaves via FA
but to trade for Branch, midseason, when Branch hasn't played with Brady for how long now???
And think that he's just going to fit right in like he never left in the first place is sweet dreaming.
This seems like another Galloway/G.Lewis/T.Holt all over again. Zero contribution.
I think B.Tate can be a beast... here's hoping he will be.
It's not about loyalty, I'm just stating what they did, why they did it, and why I understand why they did it. They're going to use the young receivers, but they don't have much depth. If someone gets hurt, particularly Welker, they're in trouble. Branch was the best option for their purposes out there. You can't make any trades after Week 6. It was a proactive move, and with all things considered, it was a solid move to make.
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I'm not convinced Edelman is right for the outside position in our offense. Branch, while washed up, is better suited for it. He really should simply be depth for us now that we only have Welker / Tate / Edelman / Slater / Price on the roster.

Hopefully we simply see Tate / Welker / Hernandez on the field at all times and Branch is used sparingly. Branch as a Stallworth type player - nice to have there when you need him but you would rather he be the 4th target.
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So Shawne Merriman can be had for nothing right now. As much as I hate the guy, I think we need to go after him if we have any hopes of making something of this season.
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I agree, one thousand percent.
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So you hate adding a washed up WR but want to add a washed up OLB?

No thanks. There's a reason he isn't productive for SD and it isn't because they're so good on D they don't need him.
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Old 10-13-2010, 01:57 PM    (permalink
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So you hate adding a washed up WR but want to add a washed up OLB?

No thanks. There's a reason he isn't productive for SD and it isn't because they're so good on D they don't need him.
31 and 26. Widly productive player, system player who didn't catch on elsewhere. One can be had for the least valuable resource in the NFL, Cash. The other cost a draft pick with which we have a hell of a chance of drafting a superior player. One of them adds something to the team, the other one increases the inbreeding of our receiving core. Big difference. I normally have a strict don't support anything RealityCheck says policy, but if we really are trying to win the division this year it doesn't make sense to not give him a call.
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don't support anything RealityCheck says policy
Awesome, they should make it a law.

Any help would be welcome in our D. Belichick, you know what to do.
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So you hate adding a washed up WR but want to add a washed up OLB?

No thanks. There's a reason he isn't productive for SD and it isn't because they're so good on D they don't need him.
I was against giving up a 4th for him. He's not worth it.
We wouldn't be giving up anything for 56. Low risk, high reward. Just like BB likes it.
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