New England Patriots Discussion - Page 146

ElectricEye · 11-25-2010, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by nepg

Well...that was more of a blocking/kick coverage issue than anything to do with Tate.

I agree that it was horrible blocking breakdowns, but on one specifically he really didn't seem to get up the field fast as he should have. He had a very poor game today overall.

But yeah, it was nice to see the mid range and deep passing game today. The bomb to Branch was a little fluky, but it was busted coverage and we will take that every day of the week. Gronk made some nice catches down the field and Welker did some nice things too.

Oh, and how impressed should we be with McCourty. We hit BIIIIIG time with him by the looks of it. Punished the Lions for throwing to his side of the field. CJ had a big day, but a lot of that was on Arrington and against zone coverage. Shut him down in man situations and had that awesome return too. Teams will start throwing away from him soon. If we can somehow find another corner that won't give up every opposing receivers best game, we're in good shape.

descendency · 11-25-2010, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by nepg

Well...that was more of a blocking/kick coverage issue than anything to do with Tate.

Yea, this.

It's not Tate's problem on the KRs.

ElectricEye · 11-25-2010, 09:13 PM

Honestly feel like it was a little bit of both on some of them. The blocking was horrible, but he also didn't get up the field fast on a few. Feel like he could have gotten it up to at least the twenty on the one of the kicks in the second half and instead we started with **** field position. But yeah, Tate the returner is fine, not worried about that, but Tate the returner has **** hands.

proshoota25 · 11-26-2010, 12:37 AM

heyyyy guys focus on alot of the positives from this game just not the negative. ive only seen negative from u guys the past few weeks. we are 9-2, we should be more happy than anything else

AntoinCD · 11-26-2010, 03:22 AM

I think we gotta hold our hands up to the Lions STs yesterday. Every kick pinned Tate down in the right hand corner and getting a good return from there was going to be tough.

ElectricEye · 11-26-2010, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by proshoota25

heyyyy guys focus on alot of the positives from this game just not the negative. ive only seen negative from u guys the past few weeks. we are 9-2, we should be more happy than anything else

I'm very positive right now. We did everything we had to that game and did not let them back into the game once we took the lead. We had actual stops, and that's nice. McCourty had a coming out party today. Shut down CJ when he on him in man. Don't think he allowed a catch to him in a man situation.

Matthew Jones · 11-26-2010, 09:14 AM

Impressive performances all around. Seemed like Chung/Meriweather struggled a little bit and the defensive line had some trouble stopping the run, but it's hard to complain with a three-touchdown win on a short week. Let's take down the Jets this week!

ElectricEye · 11-26-2010, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by RavenOfProphecy

Impressive performances all around. Seemed like Chung/Meriweather struggled a little bit and the defensive line had some trouble stopping the run, but it's hard to complain with a three-touchdown win on a short week. Let's take down the Jets this week!

Yeah, I agree with that. Safeties had a bad game. Out of position a lot of the time. Limited film study time? Really could be. Defensive line did look worn down without at times sans Wilfork.

nepg · 11-26-2010, 09:21 AM

I think we got to see just how good Mike Wright has become... Really need him back healthy ASAP. Everything was working for the Pats in the second half, though. Great playcalling on offense.

ElectricEye · 11-26-2010, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by nepg

I think we got to see just how good Mike Wright has become... Really need him back healthy ASAP. Everything was working for the Pats in the second half, though. Great playcalling on offense.

Yeah, Wright's loss hurts a lot. Hopefully he can come back from that concussion soon.

Agree about the playcalling. We threw the ball down the field well and that's something we have not been able to do at times. We've improved a lot in that area the past three weeks. We're defiantly a better football team on offense than we were before the Browns game, which I think taught this team a lot.

AntoinCD · 11-26-2010, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by ElectricEye

Yeah, I agree with that. Safeties had a bad game. Out of position a lot of the time. Limited film study time? Really could be. Defensive line did look worn down without at times sans Wilfork.

The depth on the line was very thin. Only Wilfork, Love, Brace and Warren were used. It showed when the two top interior pass rushers were missing

AntoinCD · 11-26-2010, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by ElectricEye

Yeah, Wright's loss hurts a lot. Hopefully he can come back from that concussion soon.

Agree about the playcalling. We threw the ball down the field well and that's something we have not been able to do at times. We've improved a lot in that area the past three weeks. We're defiantly a better football team on offense than we were before the Browns game, which I think taught this team a lot.

I really loved how Gronk was able to get down the seam. Obviously not all pass defenses are the Lions but that may force teams to look after the middle more and Branch and Tate(if he can hold on to the ball) may see more favourable matchups out wide

ElectricEye · 11-26-2010, 09:59 AM

Thing I really loved about the game is how the playcalls improved at the end. First half was a bit ugly, but we made adjustments and went from there.

BradysKnee · 11-26-2010, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by proshoota25

heyyyy guys focus on alot of the positives from this game just not the negative. ive only seen negative from u guys the past few weeks. we are 9-2, we should be more happy than anything else

Damn right. No NFL team is perfect. I for one am confident going into the Jets game, they really haven't been impressive of late. Only having the passing success they had against that bengals secondary is pathetic.

AntoinCD · 11-26-2010, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by ElectricEye

Thing I really loved about the game is how the playcalls improved at the end. First half was a bit ugly, but we made adjustments and went from there.

Yeah that's the surprising thing about it compared to the rest of the season. Normally there are not enough adjustments and teams catch up with us in the second half. At least this time we got into a rut and we got out with some tremendous offensive play calling

ElectricEye · 11-26-2010, 10:11 AM

Blocking improved to. Suh and KVB were just abusing Brady for the first half yesterday.

AntoinCD · 11-26-2010, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by ElectricEye

Blocking improved to. Suh and KVB were just abusing Brady for the first half yesterday.

The TD drive at the end of the first was the start of the great play calling. We established the run more, a few good draws kept them off balance too. Then there was a mix of short throws, play action and taking shots deep which meant the d line couldn't just pin their ears back

nepg · 11-26-2010, 10:17 AM

I'm a fan of the Patriots. I think they're pretty good.

ElectricEye · 11-26-2010, 10:23 AM

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I'm a fan of the Patriots. I think they're pretty good.

Agree. Awesome part is that we have not played our best football yet. We have the potential to get better, this season too.

nepg · 11-26-2010, 11:31 AM

I'm leaning towards Nate Solder, Von Miller, and Ryan Kerrigan for guys the Patriots have a realistic chance of drafting in the first round. Throw Stefan Wisniewski and Kris O'Dowd in there for possibilities with the first 33 picks...

Solder fits the mold of what the Patriots have been looking for from OLs they draft, Miller is in the Rosevelt Colvin mold and has developed into an all-around player playing outside, (I previously held that I didn't think he fit what they're looking for at OLB, but they have their newMcGinnest in Cunningham.) The Prince of Blades (I'm going to keep saying it until it catches on) is just a great player - could be the next Clay Matthews, and Wisniewski and O'Dowd are borderline potential franchise centers with good size and great potential (though I'd be amazed if Belichick drafted either a Penn State or USC player).

I'd like a WR and a RB, but with all of their current receivers signed through next year and playing great, I see OL and continuing to build on that defense as more pressing issues.

ElectricEye · 11-26-2010, 12:00 PM

Ew on Solder. He does not play up to his measurables like...ever. Looks flat out ugly blocking out there. Upside is immense, but I wouldn't touch him before the third.

nepg · 11-26-2010, 12:18 PM

I really wanted Jared Veldheer this past draft...

ElectricEye · 11-26-2010, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by nepg

I really wanted Jared Veldheer this past draft...

Yeah, he's playing great in Oakland and Solder is similar physically, but he really just flat out does not play well at times.

nepg · 11-26-2010, 02:55 PM

Watching the Iron Bowl... The two unrealistic guys I want are Marcel Dareus and Julio Jones...

Razor · 11-26-2010, 04:37 PM

Soo.... How about that McCourty guy haha? I think that it was consesus amongst Patriots fans that he was a perfect fit in our defense before the draft, but nobody considered him to be a possibility for us. Well, as usual we were wrong and BB once again looks like a genious. I was thinking about the last time I saw a rookie corner playing at his level, and I couldn't think of one (although I am sure that there have been rookie corners performing at and above his level before). Still, I couldn't help comparing him to Darrelle Revis in his first year. I liked Revis coming out of Pitt so I paid a lot of attention to him in his first year. I think he started slowly and some time during the season he started flashing his lockdown potential. In his second year he was basically a shutdown corner, and we all know that he had a great, great season last year. So where am I going with this?

McCourty has been great for us this year. Sure, he's been beaten from time to time but I consider that a part of his progression as a NFL corner. Still, I'd like to know what you consider his ceiling to be. Personally, I think he could develop into a Ty Law/Darrelle Revis type of player, he has looked that good. I'm not crowning him yet, but really.... This guy just delivers. Also, he doesn't seem to be a headcase like many other talented players at his position, he apparantly works hard and understands the finer details of the defense at this early stage of his career, which I find impressive. So what do you guys think? Is he going to be the next Ty Law/Darrelle Revis, or is this his level? Remember, he is doing this with a minimum of pass rush. I am really, really impressed and just needed to go public with my mancrush here haha.