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Old 02-14-2011, 09:50 PM    (permalink
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Smith does seem like a much more talented Kyle Arrington in the Pats' system.
To a certain extent, yeah, I buy that. Faaaar less limited as a player though.
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Smith does seem like a much more talented Kyle Arrington in the Pats' system.
Smith isn't a ballhawk by any means, but he absolutely doesn't give up.... much at all. His biggest weakness is that he will have to be taught to be more aggressive. He plays too passive at times. Both in run support and passing.

He can absolutely be a lock down cover 2 player though.
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A later pick on OLB seems most realistic to me, too. It's just not BB's m.o. to go 1st round on a less than proven 3-4 OLB type.

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I thought we would draft a corner last year and even helped Dirty Thirty pick McCourty for our pick in our mock.

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Well La Dee Da, Mr. SmartyPants. lol

For said RECORD!

ROP & I missed him by 2 or 3 picks in the last forum mock of the season, and I loved the pick (despite saying everywhere that CB wasn't a likely pick for us.) McC & Saffold were both on our radar and we had to "settle" for Saffold . . . how I wish that had actually happened . . .

I definitely want another CB this year, though. Bodden is a question mark coming back from injury and I don't see a viable number 2 on our roster unless Bodden is back at 100%.
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I like Bodden a lot. Having McCourty this year really showed us what we were missing in terms of having an elite corner though. Our pass defense was anywhere from bad to awful last year despite what the numbers say and this year it was really the opposite. With McCourty the unquestioned alpha dog at CB, it will allow Bodden to slide and play the best particular matchup for him instead of being pressured to go up against the teams number one receiver no matter what. Should be a much better player in that role and allow him to take more chances and generate turnovers with his good ball skills.

Having said that, I want another corner. Arrington is a real good player and a guy who have a good future as a nickeback, but if we could find another shut down player to pair opposite McCourty we would have one less vulnerability on third down. That's what killed us in the end this year too.
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I like Bodden, too. Time will tell (hopefully before draft day) whether or not he will come back in top form.

But his history is spotty enough that there's no certainty to his return. He's been injured and missed significant time in 3 of his 6 years in the league and played like **** for 2 of them, too.

And I definitely agree that another top quality corner is in order, regardless of Bodden's status.
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Having said that, I want another corner. Arrington is a real good player and a guy who have a good future as a nickeback, but if we could find another shut down player to pair opposite McCourty we would have one less vulnerability on third down. That's what killed us in the end this year too.
Whilst I agree that we need another CB I'd still prefer to get a pass rusher first. Pass rush and coverage go hand in hand and I'm tired off seeing BB having to scheme his way into getting some pressure instead of having a stud who can apply pressure on every down. There are some pretty good prospects at CB next year as well (Kirkpatrick, Gilmore, Rhodes) that we might have a shot at getting if they declare. If a guy like Brandon Harris slips to the second this year I'm all for grabbing him there, but it's the front seven that didn't play well this past season (except for Wilfork and Mayo). OLB and DE should be something we look for early in the draft, it's pretty clear that you can't have a great defense unless you have at least one good pass rusher. Cunningham showed flashes last season, but he couldn't close in on the QB or wrap up on several occasions. He looks like a future starter, but not a stud.
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I agree with all of that....but I'm mentally preparing for us to pass on a pass rusher in the first round. We just don't put a first round value on those players for whatever reason.
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Haha all right.. For the fourth year in a row I'm not mentally prepared for us to pass on a pass rusher. I always end up disappointed on draft day. :(
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Exactly. I understand the philosophy, even if I don't like it. I think there are always one or two guys who are worth (based on BB's standards) a 1st round selection, but they're never on the board. OLB is just not likely to be our first round pick. Ever. : (
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BB needs to lower his standard too though. Some of these he doesn't see as impact players are setting the world on fire.
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I think he's changed his views on players like Clay Matthews.
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I certainly hope so, but I'm not buying it until I see the results both on the field and on draft day.
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Basically, I hope he does change his mind but seeing is believing with me
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I think we're all a bit presumptuous about BBs drafting persona. lol

I think they have a board, and they go by it. Although I do think cases where they target a guy, like McCourty clearly was last year, do happen.

I really think Aldon Smith/Cameron Jordan/JJ Watt/trade up for Qiunn happen.
Scarneccia can work with 2nd or later guys as we've seen and make them good.
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The board isn't very flexible to needs and they don't exactly go BPA based on the results anyway. That's the problem.


Scott's latest mock was amazing for our needs though :)
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There was an interview with Belichick (radio I believe) where he said he "learned a lot" after the Clay Matthews situation happened the way it did. We'll see what it means.
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It was a press conference and the reporter asked if he learned by passing on him and he gave a very "meh" answer. On WEEI they asked him something similar and he said much of the same.
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Just saw Scotts Mock.

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I wish we got to see the second round! That's the exciting part.
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I know, after I posted that I realized I forgot to check what he had for the second round, only to realize there isn't one :(.

But seriously I feel like that mock would pretty much be the best picks we could realistically get. I would loooove me some Kerrigan in a pats uni.
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I still think he gets taken before our pick and I've already been through the justification process as to why that's OK.
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Yeah I agree he'll be taken before he gets to us. But it isn't out of the realm of possibility that he drops to us either. That happened to Kindle last year, and I guess I shouldn't be surprised if that very same thing happens with Kerrigan this year haha. (passing on him like three times of course ;) )
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Well, Kindle turned out to be a scum bag and fell down some stairs. Good judge of character and stair walking ability on BB's part.
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Well, Kindle turned out to be a scum bag and fell down some stairs. Good judge of character and stair walking ability on BB's part.



I hear this was the only drill he ran for BB in his private workouts....


I think we all know the result.
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