New England Patriots Discussion - Page 21

02-23-2007, 10:23 AM

im not so sure they draft another RB in day one at least. They got Maroney, and if anything i see them going out and getting another one via FA. Dominic Rhodes, Micheal Turner whoever you like. I wouldnt like to see so many rookies at one position.

As for CJ, I had been saying that for weeks now, and everyone kept denying it, thanks above for finally posting the article. The pats will have to darft a WR, im liking Meachem, maybe Jarret, but we'll se how he does at his pro day cuz i dont think hes running at the combine. Possibly dwayne Bowe as well. i like all these guys and would be happy with any one of them.

EHobbs27 · 02-23-2007, 10:26 AM

Michael Turner is a RFA so it would probably cost us a 2nd rounder maybe a 1st rounder to get him.

I say look to the draft to add a guy, but not early. The guy I want is Dwayne Wright out of Fresno State as maybe a 4th rounder. Tony Hunt would be awesome but we have bigger needs that need to be addressed earlier. It wouldn't suprise me though if we took a RB high.

rugger · 02-23-2007, 11:38 AM

yeah like I said earlier I won't be shocked if the Pats pick up a RB in 2nd or 3rd rounds if they don't sign a FA.

The Dillon saga is getting more interesting now. He's not retiring, apparently he just wants to be released so he can go to a team where he can be a #1 back and get the most carries. I don't have a link yet, but I've heard it now several times on WEEI now. Dillon told Greg Dickerson of Fox Sports New England that he was "misquoted" and that he doesn't want to retire, he just wants to be released so he can sign with another team.

Dillon is hoping to be released March 1st, but if the Pats wait until June the cap hit goes from 4 mil down to about 2 mil. Personally I don't think Dillon is going to find a team where he'll be the unquestioned #1 guy, wherever he goes he's going to have to share carries because he's 32.

Matthew Jones · 02-23-2007, 04:30 PM

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You should know that the Pats wouldn't touch a player like Merriweather with a ten foot pole. He's not a Patriot type of player. Neither is Randy Moss for that matter, who is probably one the least passionate players in the league (and if you follow the Pats you know Belichick wants guys who love to play football, which is not Moss).

Meriweather seems like a good guy. I got some interviews from him on tape and he seems like he might be a little immature and maybe not the smartest guy, but he's friendly and seems like a good leader type who would respond well to some coaching.

EHobbs27 · 02-23-2007, 08:42 PM

That is what I have said about Meriweather, but people continue to claim he is a thug. I would take Meriweather anyday. He is easily the 3rd best safety in the draft.

rugger · 02-23-2007, 10:26 PM

I agree that Meriweather is a talented player, and if you ranked the safeties based purely on talent alone, he'd be about 3.

But for me the fact that he carrys a gun and shot back at people (even though they were shooting at him and his teammate) is a concern. I wouldn't want a gun toter on my team. Then you bring in the fact that he can't control his emotions on the field. Wait until he signs his contract and starts making money, I don't think his judgment is suddenly going to get better because he is in the NFL. I would rather not draft him and deal with any headaches he'd bring to a team.

In terms of the Pats, I think that as long as Bob Kraft owns the team he won't let Belichick get a guy who has this much baggage (see the Christian Peter incident of 1996, where days after they drafted the Nebraska DT in the 5th round, they released him because of alcohol/rape charges). The last guy who I can think who had off the field trouble (while with the team) was Kenyatta Jones, and he got released days after he was arrested in 2003.

Basically the Pats don't want off the field troublemakers because they create a bad image in the media/community.

02-23-2007, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by rugger

I agree that Meriweather is a talented player, and if you ranked the safeties based purely on talent alone, he'd be about 3.

But for me the fact that he carrys a gun and shot back at people (even though they were shooting at him and his teammate) is a concern. I wouldn't want a gun toter on my team. Then you bring in the fact that he can't control his emotions on the field. Wait until he signs his contract and starts making money, I don't think his judgment is suddenly going to get better because he is in the NFL. I would rather not draft him and deal with any headaches he'd bring to a team.

In terms of the Pats, I think that as long as Bob Kraft owns the team he won't let Belichick get a guy who has this much baggage (see the Christian Peter incident of 1996, where days after they drafted the Nebraska DT in the 5th round, they released him because of alcohol/rape charges). The last guy who I can think who had off the field trouble (while with the team) was Kenyatta Jones, and he got released days after he was arrested in 2003.

Basically the Pats don't want off the field troublemakers because they create a bad image in the media/community.

I saw this list of NFL players who owned guns and if I'm right Asante Samuel was on it.

02-23-2007, 11:43 PM

i heard that Dillon is wanting out because he isnt being utilized like he should and that he wants more carries. Im getting the impression that Dillon held up with a good attitude for several years and now that he has become a "Me" player Bob Kraft is giving him what "HE" wants. Dillon seems to be thinking about himself more than the team, and got his wish, out of the best Franchise in Pro Sports.

rugger · 02-24-2007, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by rugger

I agree that Meriweather is a talented player, and if you ranked the safeties based purely on talent alone, he'd be about 3.

But for me the fact that he carrys a gun and shot back at people (even though they were shooting at him and his teammate) is a concern. I wouldn't want a gun toter on my team. Then you bring in the fact that he can't control his emotions on the field. Wait until he signs his contract and starts making money, I don't think his judgment is suddenly going to get better because he is in the NFL. I would rather not draft him and deal with any headaches he'd bring to a team.

In terms of the Pats, I think that as long as Bob Kraft owns the team he won't let Belichick get a guy who has this much baggage (see the Christian Peter incident of 1996, where days after they drafted the Nebraska DT in the 5th round, they released him because of alcohol/rape charges). The last guy who I can think who had off the field trouble (while with the team) was Kenyatta Jones, and he got released days after he was arrested in 2003.

Basically the Pats don't want off the field troublemakers because they create a bad image in the media/community.

I saw this list of NFL players who owned guns and if I'm right Asante Samuel was on it.

Assante may own a gun, but as far as I know he's never discharged it in public. And until he does I'll stand by him.

As for Merriweather I stand by my belief that the Pats will not take him, because he shows poor judgment on and off the field, and they wouldn't want to deal with the media/public criticism they would get in New England for drafting him.

255979119 · 02-24-2007, 02:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Poll

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Originally Posted by rugger

I agree that Meriweather is a talented player, and if you ranked the safeties based purely on talent alone, he'd be about 3.

But for me the fact that he carrys a gun and shot back at people (even though they were shooting at him and his teammate) is a concern. I wouldn't want a gun toter on my team. Then you bring in the fact that he can't control his emotions on the field. Wait until he signs his contract and starts making money, I don't think his judgment is suddenly going to get better because he is in the NFL. I would rather not draft him and deal with any headaches he'd bring to a team.

In terms of the Pats, I think that as long as Bob Kraft owns the team he won't let Belichick get a guy who has this much baggage (see the Christian Peter incident of 1996, where days after they drafted the Nebraska DT in the 5th round, they released him because of alcohol/rape charges). The last guy who I can think who had off the field trouble (while with the team) was Kenyatta Jones, and he got released days after he was arrested in 2003.

Basically the Pats don't want off the field troublemakers because they create a bad image in the media/community.

I saw this list of NFL players who owned guns and if I'm right Asante Samuel was on it.

Many people own guns. Millions. You just have to know when not to be incompetant, and start waving it around in the public

BigDawg819 · 02-24-2007, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Poll

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Originally Posted by rugger

I agree that Meriweather is a talented player, and if you ranked the safeties based purely on talent alone, he'd be about 3.

But for me the fact that he carrys a gun and shot back at people (even though they were shooting at him and his teammate) is a concern. I wouldn't want a gun toter on my team. Then you bring in the fact that he can't control his emotions on the field. Wait until he signs his contract and starts making money, I don't think his judgment is suddenly going to get better because he is in the NFL. I would rather not draft him and deal with any headaches he'd bring to a team.

In terms of the Pats, I think that as long as Bob Kraft owns the team he won't let Belichick get a guy who has this much baggage (see the Christian Peter incident of 1996, where days after they drafted the Nebraska DT in the 5th round, they released him because of alcohol/rape charges). The last guy who I can think who had off the field trouble (while with the team) was Kenyatta Jones, and he got released days after he was arrested in 2003.

Basically the Pats don't want off the field troublemakers because they create a bad image in the media/community.

I saw this list of NFL players who owned guns and if I'm right Asante Samuel was on it.

Yes but Samuel is not in the classy of a Chris Henry, or a "Pacman" Jones either so its not much of a concern. Hell Karl Malone has lots of guns and hunts but he never got in trouble for them....

Anyway I'm wondering with the lackluster receivers on the roster and now the injury to Chad Jackson, is WR a primary concern for the Patriots? Will they actually give Brady some decent weapons or does he have to make do with what's already there?

EHobbs27 · 02-24-2007, 10:16 PM

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Anyway I'm wondering with the lackluster receivers on the roster and now the injury to Chad Jackson, is WR a primary concern for the Patriots? Will they actually give Brady some decent weapons or does he have to make do with what's already there?

I think LB is the first concern for the Pats, but WR is right behind. I think it is about time we add a good #1 WR to the Pats.

HawkeyeFan · 02-24-2007, 11:31 PM

Curious. Did you guys cut Johnathan Sullivan? Or is he a Free Agent or is he still apart of the Patriots?

rugger · 02-25-2007, 01:19 AM

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Curious. Did you guys cut Johnathan Sullivan? Or is he a Free Agent or is he still apart of the Patriots?

Was on the inactive list for 5 games before being released in October. As far as I know no one else has signed him yet.

rugger · 02-25-2007, 01:39 AM

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Anyway I'm wondering with the lackluster receivers on the roster and now the injury to Chad Jackson, is WR a primary concern for the Patriots? Will they actually give Brady some decent weapons or does he have to make do with what's already there?

I think LB is the first concern for the Pats, but WR is right behind. I think it is about time we add a good #1 WR to the Pats.

Agreed. Getting some youth in the linebacking corps is key, especially in the middle. I would prefer the Pats pick up a reciever or two in free agency as well as drafting somebody, because for the in most cases a rookie reciever is not going to come in and be a huge factor. As we know though the free agent crop of recievers is pretty thin.

1. Donte Stallworth- would be my first choice to sign, but with Rosenthaus as his agent, his price might skyrocket too high.

2. Drew Bennett- taller reciever
3. Kevin Curtis- Short and fast guy, I'd love to see the Pats sign him.
4. Ronald Curry
5. Shaun McDonald
6. Bobby Wade
7. Justin Gage

I discounted Ashley Lelie, because he sucks and he's an underachiever, same with Travis Taylor. There are probably some sleeper free agents I might be missing. It would great if the Pats could sign Stallworth, Bennett, or Curtis. If not I would take two of the other guys. Overall its a weak free agent class for recievers.

02-25-2007, 10:15 PM

as a jets fan i had a quick question for all of the pats fans...i havn't heard much news about tully banta-cain and it kind of surprises me...he had a great season and i heard rumors about you guys going strong for Adalius Thomas..with or without the signing of thomas do you really want banta-cain back or is he not high on the priority list??

Don Vito · 02-26-2007, 12:57 PM

Yea I really hope we keep Tully. ILB is more of a prority than OLB though b/c Vrabel is a much better OLB. So as much as I would love Adailus Thomas, someone like Donnie Edwards is more practical.

Tully showed that he can be a very good 3-4 OLB this year and I expect him to have a big year next year. He is young as well so we should retain him even if we add a big-time veteran LB.

255979119 · 02-26-2007, 08:43 PM

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Yea I really hope we keep Tully. ILB is more of a prority than OLB though b/c Vrabel is a much better OLB. So as much as I would love Adailus Thomas, someone like Donnie Edwards is more practical.

Tully showed that he can be a very good 3-4 OLB this year and I expect him to have a big year next year. He is young as well so we should retain him even if we add a big-time veteran LB.

Tully is a passrusher, that is basically it. His two best games were played when the outcome was already decided.

02-27-2007, 01:03 AM

updated my draft mock again heehee:

Round 1 #24: Patrick Willis ILB Ole Miss

- S-tud that will hold down the inside for many years.

Fall-back: Paul Posluszny ILB Ohio State.

Round 1 #28: Brandon Meriweather FS Miami

- Complete player just what we need at the safety spot.

Fall-back: Robert Meachem WR Tennessee

Round 2 #60: Marcus McCauley CB Fresno St.

- project CB with great upside, could be the next physical man-to-man CB since Ty Law.

Fall-back: Victor Abiamiri DE/OLB Notre Dame, Buster Davis ILB Florida State

Round 3 #91: Randy Moss WR Oakland

- best WR availible aside from Calvin Johnson.

Round 4 #123: Quincy Black OLB New Mexico

- 6'2" 240lbs 4.42 40-time

Round 4 Compensatory Pick: Tyrone Moss RB Miami

- Strong power RB to back up Maroney.

Round 6 #165: Daniel Sepulveda P Baylor

- Competition for Miller/Saurbran

Round 6 #187: Zak DeOssie LB Brown

- Good for a backup role.

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02-27-2007, 05:53 PM

DeOssie won't last that long. I think he's a day one pick.

02-27-2007, 07:15 PM

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DeOssie won't last that long. I think he's a day one pick.

i dont think it matters that much that DeOssie ran a good 40-time, hes not the most athletic player i still see him going on day 2.

Ravens1991 · 02-27-2007, 08:54 PM

Do you think you guys could take David Harris at 28 and possibly Anthony Spencer at 24?

EHobbs27 · 02-28-2007, 02:24 PM

I would love that mock. Spencer is a steal at 24 and Harris is one of my favorite players in the draft.

I can guarentee DeOssie won't be a second day pick. The lowest he is going is early round 3.

Billingsley26 · 02-28-2007, 09:39 PM

i gotta say that when i see a quote stating that Belichek, Pioli and Kraft are INTERSTED in trading for Moss i will believe it. Cuz as of right now, i just keep hearing that the Patriots are interested, but no word from any personel. there is no way i see them trading for him, NO WAY.

Handel · 02-28-2007, 10:54 PM

People, go listen the Mayock interview with Brian Lowe, available on Patriots web site. Very interesting. That tells me 24th and 28th spots are not that great to draft DE/OLBs.

http://www.patriots.com/mediacenter/...=24282&pcid=83