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Old 08-07-2011, 09:27 PM    (permalink
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Carter is more of a 4-3 guy for sure, but he does have experience at OLB. Considering we've dealt with well below average guys in the base package before it shouldn't be too noticeable if we stick him there a few times.
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My best guess at what the roster will look like:

QB (3): Brady, Hoyer, Mallett
RB (5): BJGE, Woodhead, Vereen, Ridley, Faulk
WR (6): Ocho, Welker, Branch, Edelman, Price, Tate
TE (3): Gronkowski, Hernandez, Smith
OL (9): Light, Mankins, Koppen, Connolly, Vollmer, Wendell, Solder, Levoir, Cannon
DL (10): Wilfork, Haynesworth, Ellis, Cunningham, Carter, Pryor, Wright, Love, Brace, Moore
LB (5): Mayo, Spikes, Guyton, Fletcher, Ninkovich
DB (9): McCourty, Dowling, Bodden, Butler, Arrington, Chung, Merriweather, Sanders, (Goldson?)

K: Gostkowski
P: Mesko
LS: Katula

Cuts: Thomas Austin, Tyree Barnes, Josh Barrett, Sergio Brown, Carson Butler, Markell Carter, Landon Cohen, Jonathan Compas, Christian Cox, Brandon Deaderick, Buddy Farnham, Darnell Jenkins, Eric Kettanni, Chris Koeppelin, Aaron Lavarias, Bret Lockett, Steve Maneri, Brandon McGowan, Richard Medlin, Chris Morris, Sammy Morris, Marquez Murrell, Clay Nurse, Rich Ohrenburger, Darryl Richard, Jeremy Ross, Alex Silvestro, Matthew Slater, Jeff Tarpinian, Ross Ventrone, Kade Weston, Tracy White, Jonathan Wilhite, Steve Williams, Malcolm Williams, Cory Woods, Will Yeatman.

Personally I'm not going to lose a lot of sleep over losing any of those guys. I think some likely injuries will let us take a flyer or 2 on a couple of the aforementioned players, but as it stands right now I don't think the cuts will be that difficult. Although looking at the LB depth we could use another guy there.
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Isn't Cannon not going to count against the roster because of his cancer recovery? Pretty sure he's basically getting a redshirt year. Might be wrong though, but I thought that was the idea around the draft.

Besides that, everything looks good. Good work. You've left Mark Anderson off both lists though.
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solid list.... but who are gunna be the gunners? the special team specialists that we always carry? your list is a little flawed because it does not include any of these guys

EDIT: because of this, i think a guy like slater is a lock to make the team, even though i hate saying that.
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I think there are enough guys on there who make solid special teamers like Arrington, Dowling, Fletcher, Smith, Vereen, Butler, 4th safety whoever that may be, ect.

FWIW Slater and Malcolm Williams were the last cuts and I really struggled cutting them over Brace. I think we'll get an injury or 2 or Cannon never makes it off PUP allowing room for a special team type guy, but as it stands right now I see enough raw talent to prevent a crappy pure special teams guy like Slater making it. I think they have some guys with talent who they'd like to see on the field, yet don't have needs for them in the base offense and defense
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I wonder if McCourty is going to be left off of the ST units this year
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I hope so. I got so ******* scared when he got hurt last year. We need him locking down receivers. Let someone else kill themselves running down guys on special teams.
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lol pretty much... let someone else go nuts on ST
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i agree with all you guys. i think he plays ST tho unfortunately, bill loved the fact last year that mccourty is a guy who can play 4 downs... and you dont hear him say that very often
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I don't want to cut Deaderick. I know we have a logjam on the DL now and we are drifting away from the straight 3-4, but I like him and I will also guarantee the Jets pick him up if we cut him.
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at this point i think id take deaderick over brace, easily. and that may be the case when final cuts are announced... unless they do some injury reserve hoopla that they always do haha
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Trade Deaderick for Mays?
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I would rather cut Brace, to be honest. He's the most expendable guy in the current situation, IMO. I just think it's square peg round hole kind of thing with him as a DE and he's going to continue to find less and less playing time the more we go to more athletic defensive front. Deaderick has disciplinary issues though. Put us in a real tough spot because he couldn't get to practice on time. But he's an effective two down DE in the base package.
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I don't know how Kyle Moore fits either with the Carter and Anderson signings, we have a lot of end/LB tweeners now but none of them really stick out. Moore showed a lot of promise at the end of last year but he and Carter are pretty similar.
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this would be very interesting, as reports are we are very mad about the way the secondary has been playing at training camp. yes hes a safety, but unfortunately i dont think hes the best fit here. we need a guy who communicates well at the back end and can play centerfield well (take over for meriweather).... and thats not mays
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I'll assume you meant Eric Moore, and yeah, I agree. There's going to be an odd man out there somehow. We just don't know who it is yet. I could easily buy it being him, despite how well he played.
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Eric Moore. He was the only edge guy with size who could put any pressure on that we had last year, now we have a few. He did look good last year but I could see him being snipped and he's another guy the Jets would want.
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i will say i am much more excited about our defense than i was a few weeks ago. we were all killing this team after the draft for not addressing DE and OLB... but BB clearly wants veterans in these positions and got a bunch of guys on the cheap who could make an impact.
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Yeah it's gonna be interesting to watch over the preseason. For what its worth, NE PatriotsDraft said over twitter that he expects that they cut Brace, Anderson, Pryor and Wright. I would be surprised if they all got cut.

If Brace hasn't improved he could be a good candidate.

Anderson has shown already in TC that he can get after the passer but is a huge liability against the run. I think there is a roster spot between him, Carter and Eric Moore.

Pryor and Wright are both interesting. Both are pretty big role players when healthy but neither have been healthy in a while. Haynesworth and Ellis give them the flexibility to cut either of these guys, although I wouldn't be too confident in going without at least one of them.

Personally I see Deaderick as being in trouble. With his troubles internally with the team last year, plus the fact that he is no fit in a 43 leave his role with a serious question mark
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Here's my guess at the final roster:

53-man roster:

1. QB Tom Brady
2. QB Brian Hoyer
3. QB Ryan Mallett

All of these three should be locks to make the final roster.

4. RB BenJarvus Green-Ellis
5. RB Stevan Ridley
6. RB Shane Vereen
7. RB Danny Woodhead

Again, I think all of these guys are assured of a roster spot. I could see one of Faulk/Morris making it but I think a youth movement should be in order considering Ridley/Vereen are very similar to Morris/Faulk, respectively. I could see Eric Kettani landing on the practice squad.

8. WR Deion Branch
9. WR Julian Edelman
10. WR Chad Ochocinco
11. WR Taylor Price
12. WR Brandon Tate
13. WR Wes Welker

It was tough to cut Matthew Slater, but Taylor Price has been impressive in camp, so I'd go with him. Tyree Barnes could challenge for a practice squad spot.

14. TE Rob Gronkowski
15. TE Aaron Hernandez
16. TE Lee Smith

I don't see Alge Crumpler returning, but Lee Smith should be able to handle his duties.

17. OT Matt Light
18. OT Nate Solder
19. OT Sebastian Vollmer

Mark LeVoir is a possibility, but I'd just go with Light and Vollmer as the starters and Solder as the swing backup to save a roster spot. This is a position where I'd invest at least one practice squad spot.

20. OG Dan Connolly
21. OG Logan Mankins

22. C Dan Koppen
23. C Ryan Wendell

Decided to comment on these both together - not a lot of depth, with Wendell as the swing backup between guard and center, but I did commit a practice squad spot to a guard/tackle tweener.

24. DE Mark Anderson
25. DE Andre Carter
26. DE Markell Carter
27. DE Jermaine Cunningham
28. DE Shaun Ellis
29. DE Eric Moore

The pass rush is a big question mark so I think the Patriots invest heavily in guys and let them rotate, hoping to ride the hot hand at any given time.

30. DT Ron Brace
31. DT Albert Haynesworth
32. DT Kyle Love
33. DT Myron Pryor
34. DT Vince Wilfork
35. DT Mike Wright

Brandon Deaderick was a tough cut, but if we are using more 4-3 looks I think he might be the odd man out. I'd rather retain Ron Brace based on the improvement he showed last year, whereas Deaderick was briefly suspended.

36. LB Dane Fletcher
37. LB Gary Guyton
38. LB Jerod Mayo
39. LB Rob Ninkovich
40. LB Brandon Spikes
41. LB Jeff Tarpinian

I have Tarpinian as the UDFA who makes the final roster - I tried to find a spot for one of the pass rushers but there were already too many guys there, so I am projecting Tracy White to be released and Tarpinian to take over his spot on special teams.

42. CB Kyle Arrington
43. CB Leigh Bodden
44. CB Darius Butler
45. CB Ras-I Dowling
46. CB Devin McCourty

Jonathan Wilhite is finally pushed out of a roster spot. I think these five represent the best option for New England.

47. S Josh Barrett
48. S Patrick Chung
49. S Brandon Meriweather
50. S James Sanders

Meriweather or possibly Josh Barrett could easily be replaced with Dashon Goldson, should he sign in the next few days. Sergio Brown was a consideration as well, but I feel like Belichick wants a rover, so I went with Barrett.

51. K Stephen Gostkowski
52. P Zoltan Mesko
53. LS Matt Katula

Injured reserve/PUP:

1. OT Marcus Cannon
2. OT Kyle Hix
3. LB Ryan Coulson
4. LB Anthony Leonard

Practice squad:

1. WR Jeremy Ross
2. TE Will Yeatman
3. OT Steve Maneri
4. OG Thomas Austin
5. DE Aaron Lavarias
6. DE Clay Nurse
7. DE Alex Silvestro
8. S Malcolm Williams

Some really stiff competition for these spots. Also considered Eric Kettani, Tyree Barnes, Darryl Richard, Kade Weston.

Missed the cut:

1. RB Kevin Faulk
2. RB Richard Medlin
3. RB Sammy Morris
4. FB Eric Kettani
5. WR Tyree Barnes
6. WR Buddy Farnham
7. WR Darnell Jenkins
8. WR Matthew Slater
9. TE Carson Butler
10. OT Mark LeVoir
11. OT Corey Woods
12. OG Rich Ohrnberger
13. C Jonathan Compas
14. C Chris Morris
15. DE Landon Cohen
16. DT Brandon Deaderick
17. DT Darryl Richard
18. DT Kade Weston
19. DT Steve Williams
20. LB Christian Cox
21. LB Marques Murrell
22. LB Tracy White
23. CB Jonathan Wilhite
24. S Sergio Brown
25. S Bret Lockett
26. S Brandon McGowan
27. S Ross Ventrone
28. K Chris Koepplin
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ROP I like it, but personally I'd be scared if we went into the season with only 7 OL. I think we'd carry at least 8 with that last spot going to someone who could play T & G.
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ROP I like it, but personally I'd be scared if we went into the season with only 7 OL. I think we'd carry at least 8 with that last spot going to someone who could play T & G.
I tried to keep the practice squad well-stocked in case someone went down, but the guy you're describing might be Thomas Austin, who I heard was doing a pretty nice job in camp and has experience at both spots.
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Waaaaay too many pass rushers. I'd project Andre Carter and Anderson to be cut. Markell is fringe. Barrett's not making the team, either (Brown is more likely). Tarpinian...no.

So that's 4 spots cleared.

Instead, I'd project Ohrnberger or LeVoir (possibly Cannon - doubtful), Faulk, Slater, and Deaderick to stick around. I also think it's more likely they keep Deaderick than Love. Would also half-expect someone to come off the PUP later in the season and have one of the QBs go on the IR.
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Call me crazy, but I have a feeling that Wilhite could stick around...
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