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I thought he played well but definitely had his **** up at times.
Like versus Cam Wake. Though quite a few of those mistakes were bad communication.
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LeVoir’s position could be because of a lack of healthy bodies at guard, but versatility could help him get the edge over a guy like Maneri.

I thought Landon Cohen looked disruptive, although he is probably a long shot to make the team.

Brandon Meriweather seemed to avoid making the boneheaded decisions he’s been criticized for in the past. He played more of a strong safety role, with Patrick Chung manning the deep middle.
Maneri was awful in pass protection. He was getting abused by bull rushes. I thought he was effective in run blocking, but if he sticks - it'd be as a run blocker, maybe even fullback. I doubt we have a space for him.

Landon Cohen was a mixed bag all night. I saw him get penetration one play and then get thrown around the next. He also lost contain quite a few times on running plays. I don't see him making the final roster with all of DL brought in to compete.

Meriweather played very well for being Brandon Meriweather. I really thought he limited his dumb "play making." If he keeps playing like that, I'll be glad to apologize for what I've said about him.
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Shut the **** up!
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I'm ready to move on from Merri at this point. He's just not a very good fit anymore. As much as we need guys who can generate turnovers and big plays, we need guys who can play within the context of a scheme and not hurt the team on any given down that much more.
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Can't wait for more football!

Fox is carrying the game tomorrow night, so I may be able to actually talk about it the day after it happens. Crazy, right? lol
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LeVoir cut. I thought he'd make the last 53
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Wow. Yeah, I thought LeVoir would have a spot for his ability to play either G or T. I'm guessing they felt they're better off going with someone else at OG and getting Maneri on the PS. There's no reason to carry more than 3 OTs (or more than 8 OLs total) with the group they have.
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Word is that they really like Maneri but we'll see
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I just hope Maneri doesn't get abused like he did against the Jags again. He was getting mauled in pass protection in the second half.
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I don't think we have to worry about Maneri. They let LeVoir go so he didn't waste an entire pre-season with the Patriots if they were going to cut him anyway. They'll put Maneri on the PS and it's debatable that they'll even carry more than 7 linemen, actually...

I'd be pretty comfortable predicting Light, Vollmer, Solder, Connolly, Mankins, Koppen, and Wendell/Ohrnberger.
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i think maneri will be on the roster.... and not on practice squad to be honest. sorry i havent joined in on the fun lately, been working a crazy amount of hours lately. cant wait for the pats game tomorrow night.
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In retrospect, I think the writing might have been on the wall a little bit when LeVoir was playing guard while Maneri manned the tackle spot. It might make more sense to get a true guard.
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I'll stand by my stance. They just didn't have the roster space for a forth OT.

The Pats have to find all the roster slots they can for the wrs, dbs, dls, and whatever special teamers they need to keep around.

LeVoir will be picked up quickly as he has been a solid backup. Guessing he ends up with the Jets.
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Buc fans are drooling over Mallet...

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i dont think ive ever seen that much love for mallett anywhere haha. you def wont find it on this site.

hes looked good in one preseason game against scrubs. will need to see more before we can start making assumptions. reiss has speculated mallett will play more than hoyer in tomorrows game due to the fact the mallett has taken way more reps than hoyer this week at practice. we shall see
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Mallett was awesome, but he was playing 3rd stringers in vanilla defenses. Let's see him against starters, on the road, against an nfl defense package designed to beat him.

The knocks on Mallett coming out of college were not blown away in that game. Yes, he made two nice plays (one dropped) in the pocket to allude rushers, but he's still a statue. He still has a long wind-up. He still has average (at best) intermediate accuracy. And he's still yet to show he's ready to make NFL caliber decisions on the field (to put that in a not so nice way, some people think he's dumb).

Mallett was in a perfect situation to show off his skills and not much was required of him in areas he's not comfortable yet.
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Eh... Mallett showed that he's been working on his footwork a lot. His wind-up is big, but it's getting shorter and shorter. Remember what it used to be when he was at Michigan? Mallett has come a long way and is a guy who has been very coachable everywhere he's been.

As for being against 3rd stringers...he was playing with 3rd stringers, too. Vanilla defense is the only valid argument against what he showed in that game. But it's not like you can knock him for playing against a vanilla defense because we haven't seen him play against a complex NFL defense yet, either. Two-way street.
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It will be interesting to see how Solder does against those young defensive linemen Tampa has. Should be a good test for him in the early goings. The Steven Ridley show should be fun too.
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Just finished my writeup for the first preseason game. I posted the first half notes already, but for anyone who missed them, I am including the full list of observations here.

Preseason Week One Observations: Jaguars 12 @ Patriots 47

Defensive personnel to begin the game was (left to right):

DL: Moore - Richard - Love - Cunningham
LB: Guyton - Fletcher - Ninkovich
DB: Butler - Arrington - Chung – Meriweather

First drive (defense): The Patriots began the game in a 4-3 defense, with the defensive line consisting of (left to right) Moore, Richard, Love, and Cunningham. Guyton, Fletcher, and Ninkovich were the starting linebackers, and the defensive backs were Butler, Arrington, Chung, and Meriweather. Darius Butler allowed two catches on three attempts. Dane Fletcher also allowed a completion for a first down. Kyle Arrington was targeted but Gabbert overthrew his receiver due to pressure from Mark Anderson. Anderson rushed from a three-point stance and looked very quick, swimming over Eugene Monroe to reach and hit Gabbert. Monroe had previously given Eric Moore fits. Moore appeared to be a weak link against the run, blowing containment or being driven out of the play on three separate occasions. Jermaine Cunningham sacked Gabbert on the drive but was unblocked by the Jaguars’ offensive line. Jacksonville ended up kicking a field goal to take a 3-0 lead. I was impressed with Gabbert’s poise, he seemed more willing to stand in the pocket than he did in college.

First drive (offense): This didn’t last long. Brian Hoyer started the game, throwing a pass to Aaron Hernandez, which Hernandez proceeded to fumble away after being hit. Because the fumble occurred before returning from a commercial break, it was difficult to tell which other players took the field initially.

Second drive (defense): The Patriots opened the drive in a 3-4 front, with Eric Moore serving as a five-technique, which I thought was interesting. Leigh Bodden and Kade Weston also saw the field for the first time. Gary Guyton was targeted but Gabbert overthrew the pass. On the next play, Kyle Arrington was targeted, but the pass was dropped. The Jaguars kicked another field goal at the end of the drive to take a 6-0 lead.

Second drive (offense): Julian Edelman served as the kick returner. The Patriots offensive line (L-R) was made up of Nate Solder, Thomas Austin, Rich Ohrnberger, Mark LeVoir, and Steve Maneri. They opened with two tight ends, Will Yeatman being one of them. Julian Edelman got open deep early, but was unable to bring in a pass from Brian Hoyer that looked to be just a little bit late. The drive ended in a three-and-out. LeVoir’s position could be because of a lack of healthy bodies at guard, but versatility could help him get the edge over a guy like Maneri.

Third drive (defense): The Patriots opened in a 4-3 and began on a high note, with Dane Fletcher perfectly timing a blitz that gave him a clear path to the running back and resulted in a tackle for loss. Darius Butler allowed another completion for 11 yards on the following play. At that point, Leigh Bodden moved inside to the slot, and Landon Cohen was able to record a sack due to strong coverage and a pressure from Mark Anderson, who rushed from the left end spot rather than the right end spot he appeared at before.

Third drive (offense): The Patriots were able to start this drive with strong field position, and used a lot of different looks to create confusion for Jacksonville’s defense. Stevan Ridley capped off the drive with a score and had another nice run as well. I was impressed with Nate Solder’s athleticism when pulling. Aaron Hernandez looked difficult to cover and had two big catches, but the ball squirted loose at the end of the second one and ball security should be a focus for him in the future. A lot of four-and-five-wide sets on this drive – even Lee Smith lined up off the line of scrimmage at times.

Third drive (defense): Not much to write about here, the Patriots were able to force a quick punt. I was impressed with the overall run defense on the drive, and Dane Fletcher again did a nice job of anticipating the snap count and disrupting the play. On a later snap, he acted like he’d blitz again, but then dropped into coverage.

S. Ridley lined up split wide in a five-WR set along with W. Yeatman, which caused the Jaguars to take a timeout. After that, Hoyer hit Aaron Hernandez for another big gain, and shortly after the second quarter began, Taylor Price made a great leaping catch in the back of the end zone, careful to keep both feet inbounds. He looks to have wrapped up the competition for the fourth wide receiver spot behind Branch, Ochocinco, and Welker.

On the following kickoff, there was some poor coverage and the Jaguars were able to return the ball 84 yards. I noticed Jonathan Wilhite and Chris Koepplin miss tackles. Following that, Jermaine Cunningham blew contain on a run play and allowed a big gain. He has not looked as sharp as he did last year against the run. These two plays led to another field goal by the Jaguars of just 29 yards.

Jeremy Ross returned the kick, and shortly afterwards Brian Hoyer hit Matthew Slater on an incredible deep ball down the sideline that Slater had to outjump former Patriot Terrence Wheatley in order to catch. Long considered to be a strictly special teams player, Slater’s chances of making the final 53 would be greatly improved with a few big offensive plays like that. The drive ended up resulting in a field goal, as Brian Hoyer couldn’t find an open receiver on third down and ended up forcing a throw that could have been intercepted.

On the following drive, Tracy White made a great tackle to pin the Jaguars inside of their own 20, and Darryl Richard sacked Blaine Gabbert thanks to some great coverage. Darius Butler allowed a completion following that, and a neutral zone infraction kept the ball in Jacksonville’s possession. There was one run where I felt the Patriots could have tackled much better. Later on the same drive, Patrick Chung dropped an easy interception on third down. Taylor Price was back to return and fair caught the punt.

Miscellaneous first-half observations:

Nate Solder looked impressive all game…very long frame, looked extremely athletic and quick, and mirrored pass rushers well. Needs some technique work but so far I’ve been impressed with where he’s at after waiting so long to sign his contract. The offensive line as a whole seemed to keep Brian Hoyer clean all night up until the end of the second quarter, when he had to deal with some pressure. He looked pretty accurate and kept his composure throughout the half. Matthew Slater got open more often than expected as a receiver. If he doesn’t recover from his injury quickly, Brandon Tate could find himself out of a job considering the new kickoff rules. Stevan Ridley is very elusive for a guy his size, and caught the ball better than expected. I will be watching to see if he can improve his awareness in pass protection. Lee Smith and Will Yeatman both lined up split out wide more often than I thought they would considering their reputations as inline blocking specialists. Aaron Hernandez was uncoverable all night, he just needs to improve his ball security. If he could block a little bit, it’d be the icing on the cake. Because of Ryan Wendell’s injury, I could see Rich Ohrnberger sneaking onto the final 53 as the team’s backup center. He looked serviceable from what I saw. Thomas Austin could also have a better shot than many people think.

I thought Landon Cohen looked disruptive, although he is probably a long shot to make the team. I’d be shocked if Kyle Love was left off the final roster, though. He played the nose very well, and at this point I would feel comfortable saying he’s further along than Ron Brace, who might have to land on the PUP list to avoid getting cut. I think Dane Fletcher should see more playing time this year relative to last season, he looks to be coming along well and made more plays than Gary Guyton, who went virtually unnoticed for the half. Rob Ninkovich had some solid man coverage and I thought he looked reasonably effective as a pass rusher as well. I wouldn’t put money on him tallying many sacks, but he could force quarterbacks to throw sooner than they’d like from time to time. Is this the end for Darius Butler? He was constantly targeted and failed to make plays. He doesn’t contribute much on special teams, so it might be time to cut the cord. If I’m an opposing quarterback, I know where I’m throwing the ball when I see him on the field. Brandon Meriweather seemed to avoid making the boneheaded decisions he’s been criticized for in the past. He played more of a strong safety role, with Patrick Chung manning the deep middle.

Second Half Observations:

Ryan Mallett did a nice job of extending the play and finding an option under press on his first throw. On Mallet’s second throw, Taylor Price showed off some playmaking ability by getting to the sideline and racing for a big gain after the catch. He also showed off his ability to return punts on the play that was called back. I noticed Stevan Ridley dancing around a little bit too much on a couple of carries at the beginning of the third quarter, but he came throw on a clutch fourth down run near the goal line and was otherwise great all night. I’d agree with the assessment that he was the team’s MVP for the game. I loved when he tried to leap over the pile into the end zone, and the touchdown run that followed showed a great second effort. He had a spectacular run on the sweep to the right. The offensive line did a great job of pulling and getting blocks downfield on the play. On Mallett’s third attempt, he did a nice job of rolling out and escaping pressure, but overthrew his target with a throw on the run. I was extremely impressed that he was able to convert a fourth down on his first drive as well. I was surprised that Will Yeatman was actually targeted on a number of throws, catching multiple passes. I thought he would be used strictly in blocking situations or even converted to offensive tackle. Buddy Farnham’s long catch and run on the play action were impressive, as was the accuracy and arm strength Mallett displayed.

On defense, Jonathan Wilhite got taken out on the sideline but on the next play his airtight coverage downfield helped Darryl Richard get a second coverage sack. Darius Butler allowed another completion for a first down but I thought his coverage on the play was actually pretty good. The drive ended in a field goal for the Jaguars to cut the lead to 33-12.

When the starting offensive line was shuffled for the fourth quarter, things got off to an ugly start. Steve Maneri (LT), Mark Wetterer (RG), and Corey Woods (RT) all allowed pressure on the first snap and Ryan Mallett was forced to scramble to his right on a throw that resulted in an incompletion. Taylor Price made a great catch on the next throw near multiple defenders, but then bobbled a catch on the next throw that was intercepted before the play was called back for a helmet-to-helmet hit. At the end of the drive, Richard Medlin, who has no real shot at making the roster, was able to score untouched on a well-blocked run. Medlin scored again on a tougher run later on to provide the final score for the game, 47-12. He converted an impressive fourth down play later on.

On defense, Buddy Farnham showed some versatility by intercepting a pass at safety – he’s generally a wide receiver. He won’t be able to make the final roster, but he certainly made a good impression with that play, shades of Troy Brown. The pass should have been caught though, as Darius Butler once again failed to properly cover his man. Markell Carter got some playing time at right end in the fourth quarter, and I thought he looked a little bit slow off the snap. In order to make the final roster, he’ll have to show more burst and explosiveness off of the line. Alex Silvestro got a little bit of playing time as a defensive end, while Aaron Lavarias played outside linebacker.
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Hey guys I was just wondering how Silvestro has been for you so far in camp and the first preseason game? Does he have a good chance to make the team?
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I highly doubt that he'll make the team this year, but I do think he'll end up on PS and tick around for a while. I think he's had a decent camp without wowing anyone. I think he's done as expected tbh. He's a good cultural fit in NE and I could imagine that BB wants him to stick around.
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BB likes him, from what I've heard. I don't think he makes the team, but he's one of those guys contending for the practice squad.

As far as tonight goes, it would be nice to finally see some of these shiny new toys. Doesn't look like we'll get the chance with most of them though, unfortunately.
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I though AH was the only one sitting, no?
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I was referring to Vereen and Dowling. It would be nice to see them play at some point.
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oh aight. i agree then. i thought these two were going to be big contributors. not yet, i guess
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