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Old 11-23-2011, 08:15 AM    (permalink
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What do you guys think of Cam Johnson as a second-round option the Patriots could target? He's 6'4", 270 with long arms, was recruited by Al Groh, and is a senior. I have been really impressed with him this season and he seems to have the size we'd look for in an OLB prospect. So far on the season, he's got 25 tackles, 10.5 tackles for loss, and four sacks. Check out these clips of him against Miami's Brandon Washington, a legitimate T/G tweener prospect:

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On paper I like Johnson, but from what I've seen I think he might just be Jermaine Cunningham. I don't view him as an impact player in the NFL.. I'd like to take a chance on him in the third or fourth depending on who's left, but I wouldn't touch him in the second right now.
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I didn't see the "second" burst in that clip. The one that gets sacks in the NFL.

It's hard to see sometimes against athletic QBs, but most of those were with Harris in the pocket.
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I believe when I saw him down I was saying "dont be Vollmer or Solder" "please be Light" and it came true. I think most Pats fans love to hate Light because he is so inconsistent at times. Then again I hope the injury isn't to serious.

I love what Solder has done up to this point and how they used him so far even though I was thoroughly disappointed when we drafted him because I felt we had more pressing needs on the defensive side of the ball.

Happy to see Canon back on the field after everything he has gone through.
Would love to see him be able to rotate between guard and tackle to give us depth.

Few questions:

1. When does the front office consider extending Gronk? After this year he has two year so I am thinking either this year or next.

2. Anyone else see a comparison between Arrington and Asante after 3 to 4 years in the league and how well they play in this system with this coaching staff? I feel like he might be even better because he actually can tackle and doesn't head hunt.

3. Did Hernandez ever have an issue with drops at Florida?
Gronk won't get an extension this far out. Hopefully they get a deal done before he hits FA & the franchise tag, though.

I was thinking the same about the Arrington / Samuel thing when watching him play Monday night. He is getting better as a player and better in the system, that's for sure. I still believe Asante is the most underrated CB in the league. I'm not sure Arrington will ever be as good as Asante when it comes to playing the ball. I still would love to see the Philly/NE connection on draft day bring Asante home this April. I doubt it would be crazy expensive - 2nd round pick, maybe? The 8.4 & 10.4 he's due in 12 & 13 makes it highly unlikely, though.



As for Light, I was in the same boat. Saw an Olineman down and basically was thinking the best case scenario was Light. I love the guy, but he's just too slow to keep up at this point in his career.
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I'm not sure the Eagles just won't outright release Samuel at the end of the season. Those base salary numbers are very high for a team to trade for and pay out of pocket. If he were to come here there would have to be a negotiation of an extension to bring those cap numbers down. It's a shame he's such a wuss when it comes to tackling because with those ball skills I think he'd make a damn fine safety.
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I'm not sure the Eagles just won't outright release Samuel at the end of the season. Those base salary numbers are very high for a team to trade for and pay out of pocket. If he were to come here there would have to be a negotiation of an extension to bring those cap numbers down. It's a shame he's such a wuss when it comes to tackling because with those ball skills I think he'd make a damn fine safety.
I haven't really seen enough of him with the Eagles to say, but in his time in NE he was never afraid to tackle and made plenty of big hits for a guy his size.

I suspect you're right since they had him on the market once Nnamdi was signed. The Eagles have the most overrated and the most underrated CB together on one squad. lol
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He's not afraid to make a big hit on a defenseless receiver, but if a big running back or tight end tries to square up and go right at him he's not very good. He probably gets a worse rep than he deserves though. Still him at safety is an interesting thought especially since Chung could probably cover a lot of his deficiencies.
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You guys are nuts. Asante is a hugely over rated corner. I would not want him on this team period. He's got a bad attitude and cares about one thing. Money.
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Asante did well in front of good safeties. Arrington is nothing like him. Kyle's interceptions are pure luck. The only credit I'll give him is that he's not dropping it when the ball is thrown to him. I don't mean to come off as harsh towards Arrington, he's been really solid for the Pats the last two years. It's just, as we all know, his interceptions have a lot more to do with luck than skill.
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You guys are nuts. Asante is a hugely over rated corner. I would not want him on this team period. He's got a bad attitude and cares about one thing. Money.
I don't think Asante is that bad of a guy. I've met him on a couple of occasions, he's always seemed like a cool guy. I think dealing with the Patriots front office could make anybody pissed. He played out the end of his contract where he essentially made peanuts, after getting the guarantee not to be franchised again. Here and there he makes comments in Philadelphia, but for the most part there are guys far worse than him.

In terms of his skill set, I think he's a guy who was overrated, but has become underrated as time has passed. He's still one of the 10 best cornerbacks in the league. He'll give up some plays, but he has always ranked highly in CB efficiency ratings, and certainly can make a bunch of plays on his own. He's always been money in the playoffs, and that is certainly something we've been missing defensively since he left.
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I still remember being completely outraged when McDaniels took Lonnie Paxson with him to Denver... Best LS ever.
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In terms of his skill set, I think he's a guy who was overrated, but has become underrated as time has passed. He's still one of the 10 best cornerbacks in the league. He'll give up some plays, but he has always ranked highly in CB efficiency ratings, and certainly can make a bunch of plays on his own. He's always been money in the playoffs, and that is certainly something we've been missing defensively since he left.
In the Superbowl vs Giants, the play before the "helmet catch", he dropped an gimme INT that would have sealed the game.
As unfair as it is, that play is the only thing I think about when his name is brought up
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In the Superbowl vs Giants, the play before the "helmet catch", he dropped an gimme INT that would have sealed the game.
As unfair as it is, that play is the only thing I think about when his name is brought up
I think everyone on the defense dropped an INT on that drive.
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I think everyone on the defense dropped an INT on that drive.
Maybe or maybe not, but I think it's very obvious that Samuel dropped one that 99% of CBs catch 99% of the time. Samuel choked away what could have been history.
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Maybe or maybe not, but I think it's very obvious that Samuel dropped one that 99% of CBs catch 99% of the time. Samuel choked away what could have been history.
That is being a little unfair. That wasn't the easiest play in the world to make. His arms were fully extended over his head, it would have had to have been a fingertips catch over his head, and even if he had secured the ball he still would have had to have possession in bounds. I highly doubt 99% of corner backs could have made that play.

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Maybe or maybe not, but I think it's very obvious that Samuel dropped one that 99% of CBs catch 99% of the time. Samuel choked away what could have been history.
I agree. I think alot of pro corners make that catch. I still hate Samuel and remember the moment vividly.
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I'm not reading any more comments on this page dammit.

Anyway Happy Thanksgiving to all my fellow Pats fans.
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That is being a little unfair. That wasn't the easiest play in the world to make. His arms were fully extended over his head, it would have had to have been a fingertips catch over his head, and even if he had secured the ball he still would have had to have possession in bounds. I highly doubt 99% of corner backs could have made that play.

Why am I remembering one that hit him right in the gut? Was that someone else?
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No it wasn't, I recall that play perfectly.
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Why am I remembering one that hit him right in the gut? Was that someone else?
You're not crazy because that's the exact same way I remember it as well. Weird.
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I watched that whole drive that shall not be named trying to figure if I had the right play. All I can say is that was divine intervention. Seau, Harrison, Samuel, Meriweather, Seymour, Thomas, Wilfork, and Hobbs all ****** up big time on it. Harrison and Meri both had shots at picks too. I think we're particularly hard on Samuel because he was our best defensive player, but a lot of guys straight up blew it. Eli gets a lot of credit for playing well on that drive, but the reality is he played god awful and made one good read the whole drive.
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