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After the NY Giants loss today, Coughlin during the press conference critized his quarterback Eli Manning for his decision to try and make a play and throw the ball instead of throwing it away when there seemed to be no one open. This criticsm comes after Coughlin had reprimanded Tiki Barber for airing the teams dirty laundry to the media. Barber's criticsm was not the first of this season as previously he and Jeremy Shockey sharply criticized Coughlin after their shellacking by the Seattle Seahawks in week 3.

The reason for this post is that I think that if Coughlin can't right this ship and start getting the Giants back on the winning track that he will be fired at the end of the season. The team seems to be falling apart with players criticizing Coughling and vise-versa.

What do you guys think?
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Should he? No.

Will he? ...no.
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Eh....I'm not big on firing coaches on an impluse. They won the division just a year ago. I'd give him another year, and I don't even like Coughlin.
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If they finish under .500, I'd fire him. I think he's starting to lose control over the team. I don't think his players respect him, nor do I think he respects the players.
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Exactly the point I was trying to get across when I posted this topic. I think when that happens you have to let a coach go.
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I want him out if this team does not finish with 9 wins at the very least. Meaning, if he does not finish 3-2 over the next 5 weeks, peace out.
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If they finish under .500, I'd fire him. I think he's starting to lose control over the team. I don't think his players respect him, nor do I think he respects the players.
Exactly the point I was trying to get across when I posted this topic. I think when that happens you have to let a coach go.
Jim Mora Jr. should be fired as well then.
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If they finish under .500, I'd fire him. I think he's starting to lose control over the team. I don't think his players respect him, nor do I think he respects the players.
Exactly the point I was trying to get across when I posted this topic. I think when that happens you have to let a coach go.
Jim Mora Jr. should be fired as well then.
Definately.

I think for sure there's going to be three coaches fired this year: Coughlin, Denny Green, and little Jimmy Mora. Possibly a fourth in Art Shell.
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I think Coughlin should be fired, even if the Giants CAN regroup. He has shown a propensity for his team being wildly inconsistent while vastly underachieving. He has shown that he cannot fill his coaching staff with quality guys. Hufnagel and Coughlin have been a joke in the development of Eli. Tim Lewis is a complete joke. Also, the Giants have more players questioning the coaches than probably any other players in the NFL, combined. That really tells ya something.

Coughlin did a nice job righting the ship from what NY Giant Football had become, but I think he has fulfilled his shelf life in NY regardless of what happens the rest of the season (barring unforeseen miracle).
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My problem with Coughlin is that he won't admit when he's wrong. When players say they were outplayed and outcoach like Tiki in the playoffs last season and Shockey after the Seahawks Coughlin makes a huge deal out of it and tries to point the finger at the players not playing up to par. If you get 40 points scored on you that quickly like the Seahawks did and you get blown out in the playoffs like that, then face it YOU GOT OUTCOACHED you can blame most of it on the players but when you get owned in such magnitude some of the blame lies on the coach's shoulders.
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I think he should go because there clearly isn't any respect between coaches and player. I recall an exchange over the summer between fans and Michael Strahan during training camp where he was asked to stop for autographs and he looked at the group annoyed and asked " you gonna pay my fine if I do stop?" ....I think clearly he created a big rift right out the gates with the ridiculous fines and such that these guys never really got over. But how they've handled Eli alone if reason enough to can the entire staff. You invested so much in Eli Manning that it's a duty now to see to it that you get coaches in the fold capable of getting the most out of him, which you don't have now.
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Ive never been a fan of Tom Coughlin. He is a horrible in game manager (ala Herm Edwards) and is not a great Xs and Os guy. He is strictly a disciplinarian.

The entire coaching staff stinks. Tim Lewis is a moron, and Huffnagel is an absolute idiot. Ok its 3rd and 2 in the 4th quarter, youre up 21-7, and you go EMPTY SET? ON 3RD AND 2 YOU GO EMPTY SET? That sums up our playcalling in a nutshell.

Tom Coughlin refuses to adjust his playbook and his style to fit his players. He consistently talks about "execution" but refuses to adjust his style so his players can execute better. Thats horrible coaching. If you have Chad Pennington, you don't build Air Coryell around him. And Coughlin refuses to adjust his playbook to help Eli develop. This is the biggest issue I have with him. He has done a horrible job developing Eli. He threw him to the wolves right away, and refuses to help him out with adjustments. Its no coincidence that everyone rips him after losses.
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I beg to differ. He's been known to be involved in alot of playcalling. A Jaguars and long-time NFL observer has said that Coughlin's passing schemes were the most complex (or something like that) that he's covered in his career.
Thats the problem. Its too complex. Why can't he ease the load on his developing qb? Thats just dumb. Look at how Rivers and Ben entered the league, they were babied. Eli needs to get some help from the coaching staff, they completely threw him to the wolves. Its just dumb. And we've been critical of his playcalling his entire tenior here. Its been horrible, which is why I say he's not a great Xs and Os guy. Because honestly, he's not. He lacks the in game adjustments to be considered good.
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It is his fault that he is not putting them in positions to succeed. He is the HC, he needs to get on Tim Lewis's ass about these prevent zones he continues to play. Even after the INT with 40 seconds left, Tennessee has to march 30 yards to get in field goal range. What does Tim Lewis do? Plays his prevent zone. How on earth does that make any sense at all when all they have to do is go 30 yards?

On offense, the playcalling was erratic in the 2nd half. In the first half, we did shorts, intermediates, screens, nice dose of running....why did we stop? And why did we go for it on 4th instead of kick the field goal? Again, more instances when he is not putting the team in position to win. We started out great with a great gameplan, then for whatever reason (most likely stubbornness), they go away from it, even when it was working.

And its almost sacreligious to this coaching staff to run the ball "too much". Theres no such thing as that, but this coach feels that way. We couldve ran the ball on every play in the 2nd half and still won this game. We have our pounder in Jacobs to do the job, he scores 2 Tds and was impossible to stop, yet we didn't even use him in the 2nd half...again...who's fault is that?

Its no coincidence that the players constantly throw him under the bus.
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Coughlin shouldn't be fired and he won't be. Giants ownership loves him. Wellington loved him and this has rubbed off on his sons. A lot of this has to do with what type of man he is off the field as well. Location, religion, etc.

The only thing I have not liked about Coughlin is his inability or unwillingness to shake things up. As far as the coaches under him are concerned.

As far as the offense being too complex for Eli. Tough. Eli was easily the smartest and most intelligent QB of the draft, a huge part of the reason the Giants fell in love with him. He runs a complex offense and that is a big part of the reason Tiki has had huge years these past two and half seasons. Tiki eats up nickel defenses.
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Coughlin shouldn't be fired and he won't be. Giants ownership loves him. Wellington loved him and this has rubbed off on his sons. A lot of this has to do with what type of man he is off the field as well. Location, religion, etc.
But the players hate him. I think that puts the owners in a difficult position. If we make the playoffs I think he stays, but a collapse probably means he's fired. I personally would like to see him go regardless, I don't like his coaching.
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Coughlin shouldn't be fired and he won't be. Giants ownership loves him. Wellington loved him and this has rubbed off on his sons. A lot of this has to do with what type of man he is off the field as well. Location, religion, etc.
But the players hate him. I think that puts the owners in a difficult position. If we make the playoffs I think he stays, but a collapse probably means he's fired. I personally would like to see him go regardless, I don't like his coaching.
We have dumb players. Shockey is a top 3 TE but he isn't the sharpest tool in the shed. He doesn't hold much ground when critizing Coughlin. They are getting him the ball now and he is still making comments. I'm not sure what other players hate him either. I don't buy the whole Tiki/Coughlin fued. I think it is non-existant.
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