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Old 11-22-2006, 07:18 PM    (permalink
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Dream Defence:

LDE: Richard Seymour
NT: Jamal Williams
RDE: Julius Peppers

LOLB: DeMarcus Ware
LILB: Brian Urlacher
RILB: Keith Bulluck
ROLB: Shawne Merriman

LCB: Champ Bailey
RCB: Rashean Mathis
FS: Ed Reed
SS: Sean Taylor
What the crap is a defence? The de-transliteration of the stadium signs?
It's the way everybody except Americans spells "defense".
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Dream Defence:

LDE: Richard Seymour
NT: Jamal Williams
RDE: Julius Peppers

LOLB: DeMarcus Ware
LILB: Brian Urlacher
RILB: Keith Bulluck
ROLB: Shawne Merriman

LCB: Champ Bailey
RCB: Rashean Mathis
FS: Ed Reed
SS: Sean Taylor
What the crap is a defence? The de-transliteration of the stadium signs?
It's the way everybody except Americans spells "defense".
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Dream Defence:

LDE: Richard Seymour
NT: Jamal Williams
RDE: Julius Peppers

LOLB: DeMarcus Ware
LILB: Brian Urlacher
RILB: Keith Bulluck
ROLB: Shawne Merriman

LCB: Champ Bailey
RCB: Rashean Mathis
FS: Ed Reed
SS: Sean Taylor
What the crap is a defence? The de-transliteration of the stadium signs?
It's the way everybody except Americans spells "defense".
Guess what country the NFL is played in?
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Dream Defence:

LDE: Richard Seymour
NT: Jamal Williams
RDE: Julius Peppers

LOLB: DeMarcus Ware
LILB: Brian Urlacher
RILB: Keith Bulluck
ROLB: Shawne Merriman

LCB: Champ Bailey
RCB: Rashean Mathis
FS: Ed Reed
SS: Sean Taylor
What the crap is a defence? The de-transliteration of the stadium signs?
It's the way everybody except Americans spells "defense".
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my full 3-4 team is this

LE - Darnell Dockett (290) | NT - Shaun Rodgers (350) | RE - Tommie Harris (290)

LOLB - Derrick Johnson | ILB - Brian Urlacher | ILB - Al Wilson | ROLB - Manny Lawson

CB - Antonie Winfield | FS - Brian Dawkins | SS - Rodney Harrison | CB - Ronde Barber
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Dream Defence:

LDE: Richard Seymour
NT: Jamal Williams
RDE: Julius Peppers

LOLB: DeMarcus Ware
LILB: Brian Urlacher
RILB: Keith Bulluck
ROLB: Shawne Merriman

LCB: Champ Bailey
RCB: Rashean Mathis
FS: Ed Reed
SS: Sean Taylor
What the crap is a defence? The de-transliteration of the stadium signs?
It's the way everybody except Americans spells "defense".
Guess what country the NFL is played in?

Guess what country he lives in.
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Dream Defence:

LDE: Richard Seymour
NT: Jamal Williams
RDE: Julius Peppers

LOLB: DeMarcus Ware
LILB: Brian Urlacher
RILB: Keith Bulluck
ROLB: Shawne Merriman

LCB: Champ Bailey
RCB: Rashean Mathis
FS: Ed Reed
SS: Sean Taylor
What the crap is a defence? The de-transliteration of the stadium signs?
It's the way everybody except Americans spells "defense".
Guess what country the NFL is played in?
This is why Americans have been labelled as "ignorant".
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Dream Defence:

LDE: Richard Seymour
NT: Jamal Williams
RDE: Julius Peppers

LOLB: DeMarcus Ware
LILB: Brian Urlacher
RILB: Keith Bulluck
ROLB: Shawne Merriman

LCB: Champ Bailey
RCB: Rashean Mathis
FS: Ed Reed
SS: Sean Taylor
What the crap is a defence? The de-transliteration of the stadium signs?
It's the way everybody except Americans spells "defense".
Guess what country the NFL is played in?
This is why Americans have been labelled as "ignorant".

but get back to the topic of 3-4 vs 4-3
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Dream Defence:

LDE: Richard Seymour
NT: Jamal Williams
RDE: Julius Peppers

LOLB: DeMarcus Ware
LILB: Brian Urlacher
RILB: Keith Bulluck
ROLB: Shawne Merriman

LCB: Champ Bailey
RCB: Rashean Mathis
FS: Ed Reed
SS: Sean Taylor
What the crap is a defence? The de-transliteration of the stadium signs?
It's the way everybody except Americans spells "defense".
Guess what country the NFL is played in?
This is why Americans have been labelled as "ignorant".
But it's true. BTW, where's Canada again?
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hey guys can you please settle this between PMs, this is a good thread and I hope it doesnt get locked for 1 letter difference.
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hey guys can you please settle this between PMs, this is a good thread and I hope it doesnt get locked for 1 letter difference.
but back to you point i can never see a 3-4 dline over 1000lbs
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If we're gonna talk about the best players in each position in a 3-4, we can only talk about guys who have played the technique before, because its impossible to predict accurately exactly who from the 4-3 would translate as effectively in the 3-4.

So having that said.

DE - Seymour
NT - Jamal Williams
DE - Luis Castillo

SOLB - Adalius Thomas
ILB - Donnie Edwards
ILB - Tedy Bruschi
WOLB - Shawn Merriman
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Interesting BBD for having Adalius Thomas over Joey Porter I read on other forums that people have Porter labeled as the best 3-4 OLB in the leauge.
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hey guys can you please settle this between PMs, this is a good thread and I hope it doesnt get locked for 1 letter difference.
but back to you point i can never see a 3-4 dline over 1000lbs
That would be extremely difficult to pull off. 3-4 DEs have to still have some quickness so they can move laterally and defend the outside run. Also your LE in a 3-4 needs to be more versatile because he's the primary edge rusher in a 4 man rush out of the 3-4. 350 Lbs would not cut it, they would lack the lateral movement to be successful.

Until we find a freak of nature capable of moving laterally with quickness on a 350 lb frame, it will never happen.
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Interesting BBD for having Adalius Thomas over Joey Porter I read on other forums that people have Porter labeled as the best 3-4 OLB in the leauge.
Adalius Thomas has 8 sacks this season as a situational rushbacker in a 4-3 front. I could only imagine if they imployed a full time 3-4 as their base. Everyone would say "Shawne Merriman who?" because Adalius would dwarf his rather impressive season. Adalius Thomas is the best 3-4 OLB followed by Merriman.

Adalius is the best coverage defender, arguably the best pass rusher, and one heck of a run stuffer. He has no weakness
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Interesting BBD for having Adalius Thomas over Joey Porter I read on other forums that people have Porter labeled as the best 3-4 OLB in the leauge.
Not after the way Porter has played this year.
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Thank you I have said that on other message boards and people called me a homer and a idiot and so on.
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Interesting BBD for having Adalius Thomas over Joey Porter I read on other forums that people have Porter labeled as the best 3-4 OLB in the leauge.
He WAS the best, but the new crop of 3-4 OLB have matched if not surpassed Porter in pure talent and production right now: Shawn Merriman, Demarcus Ware and the underrated Kamerion Wimbley.
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How does everyone feel if Terrell Suggs played OLB in a 3-4 were he would be ranked up with some players.
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LDE: Richard Seymour
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RDE: Julius Peppers

LOLB: DeMarcus Ware
LILB: Brian Urlacher
RILB: Keith Bulluck
ROLB: Shawne Merriman

LCB: Champ Bailey
RCB: Rashean Mathis
FS: Ed Reed
SS: Sean Taylor
What the crap is a defence? The de-transliteration of the stadium signs?
It's the way everybody except Americans spells "defense".
Too right. Offence has a 'c' in as well. Oh and don't forget the 'u' in colour.
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4-3, I prefer two DT's and just one MLB to the NT and 2 MLB's. Also I like more athletic MLB's (Brian Urlacher, Ray Lewis), and they are generally found more in the 4-3 defence.
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I also want to discuss this notion that the 3-4 is quicker than the 4-3. This is actually false.

We assume that because you have an extra linebacker, that your team defense is faster, but the truth is 3-4 defenses are slower than 4-3 defenses, and actually thicker when you add up the total body mass of the front 7.

The prototypical 3-4 has these respective weights.

DE - 290
NT - 340
OLB - 260
ILB - 250

Thats 1940 lbs of mass in the front 7.

The prototypical 4-3 bodyweights are

DE - 270
NT - 310
UT - 300
MLB - 240
SLB - 240
WILL - 235

Thats 1865 lbs of mass.

The 4-3 has smaller quicker linebackers who play the middle of the field faster than the 3-4.

Remember, while the 3-4 may have one extra LB, youre usually blitzing that LB, leaving 3 LBs in coverage who tend to be thicker than 4-3 Lbs, so you have less speed in coverage. Plus, your 3 downlinemen are essentially all DTs, so you get less overall speed out of the pass rush as well.

This is why the 3-4 is better against the run, but worst against the pass. You have a thicker front 7 against the run, and its spaced out so its difficult to bounce it outside as well. However, the overall weight of the front 7 reduces team speed, making coverage a little slower, and pass rush a little slower, thus equating to worse pass defense.

Don't believe me? Think about who has the best run defenses in the league. Dallas, Pittsburgh, and SD. All 3-4 teams. Who has the best pass defenses? Generally Cover 2 teams, built on speed and 4-3 fronts, like the Bears.
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How does everyone feel if Terrell Suggs played OLB in a 3-4 were he would be ranked up with some players.
Well, he has played in it before, and at a very high level. I personally felt that Baltimore is more suited for the 3-4 with Thomas and Suggs, but theyre just accomodating Ray until he retires with their 4-3 right now.

Suggs would be a great pass rusher and run stuffer, but at his current frame he's a little too thick for great pass coverage. He'd be good, but not top level.

I think when you talk about pass coverage, the best 3-4 OLBs are

Adalius, Joey Porter, Demarcus Ware, and Mike Vrabel (McGinnest gets honorary mention for years of great coverage)

In terms of pass rushing you have
Adalius, Merriman, Suggs, Ware

In terms of run stuffing
Adalius, Merriman, Ware, Suggs, Porter are all in the same level

I think having that said, its very difficult to make a list of 3-4 olbs, but its easier to discuss who would be the best out of these guys.

I think its between Adalius and Merriman.

But a better question is what if we introduced DEs into the mix? Jason Taylor, Osi Umenyiora, maybe Alex Brown...they would all thrive as rushbackers in a 3-4 too, so its very difficult to say whos best.

Out of the guys who have played 3-4, Id say the best is Adalius followed by Merriman.
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Dream Defence:

LDE: Richard Seymour
NT: Jamal Williams
RDE: Julius Peppers

LOLB: DeMarcus Ware
LILB: Brian Urlacher
RILB: Keith Bulluck
ROLB: Shawne Merriman

LCB: Champ Bailey
RCB: Rashean Mathis
FS: Ed Reed
SS: Sean Taylor
What the crap is a defence? The de-transliteration of the stadium signs?
It's the way everybody except Americans spells "defense".
Guess what country the NFL is played in?
This is why Americans have been labelled as "ignorant".
I was kidding around.
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My defense.

OE- Jason Taylor
DT- Richard Seymour
NT- Jamal Williams
DE- Julius Peppers

WLB- Keith Bulluck
MLB- Brian Urlacher
SLB- Adalius Thomas/Marcus Washington
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