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Old 05-28-2007, 09:59 AM    (permalink
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Alright, draft is over.

All the build up and hype is over. Scouts and fans always harp about how such and such player has prototypical size for their position. Or how the CB is undersized against the competition in the NFL. So, the question is, does size matter? Does size play a significant factor in the productivity or success of an NFL player?
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Ask London Fletcher / Zach Thomas / MJD / Warrick Dunn.

If your lacking in size, usually they are even better in something else (i.e. speed, strength, leadership)

HB Blades dropped to the 6th cause of his size, but that doesn't take away his nose for the football.
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look at mario williams he went #1 overall. his production didnt warrent it his size and potential did. size and speed can make up for a lot of other shortcomings.
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Size only matters in 1 department of life, and from what Ive been told many times 3 inches is very big..........girls are friggin liars when they luv ya!
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Alright, draft is over.

All the build up and hype is over. Scouts and fans always harp about how such and such player has prototypical size for their position. Or how the CB is undersized against the competition in the NFL. So, the question is, does size matter? Does size play a significant factor in the productivity or success of an NFL player?
Ask Keyshawn about a 5'10" Fabian Washington outjumping him in 2005.
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Ask London Fletcher / Zach Thomas / MJD / Warrick Dunn.

If your lacking in size, usually they are even better in something else (i.e. speed, strength, leadership)

HB Blades dropped to the 6th cause of his size, but that doesn't take away his nose for the football.

Those guys are more the exception than the rule. Guys like Darren Sproles who are fast as lightning but small and frail limp off the field everytime they get hit.
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leonard davis went #2 overall cause of his size. hes had a mediocre career and still got another 50 mill. size is obviously the only explanation for that.
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Size matters for football that's for sure. I mean you can't coach it, it's like speed, you can't coach speed. Most of these guys have the ability and it's just a coach that is arrogant enough to pay big money for a guy who has never really had a great career, but they think they can fix whatever is wrong with the guy, like the other coaches were too stupid. So size has a huge effect, but guys like Warrick, and Thomas are the exceptions and not the rule, not to mention the fact that those 2 positions don't really care about size AS much.
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I guess this the place where I can say:
Garrett Wolfe will have a good career
His ability, talent, and strength will make up for his size. Plus he could put on more weight if he wanted too.
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size really helps- special players can overcome being undersized.
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Generally speaking, the size that matters most is the size of the guy's heart.

Barry Sanders - 5'8""
Walter Payton - 5'10"
Emmitt Smith - 5'10"

Poor guys never stood a chance against those huge defensive linemen, huh?

Bob Sanders - 5'8"
Pacman Jones - 5'9"

These guys routinely shut down WR's who are a good 6-10" taller.

IMO, the only area where size is truly a factor is up front, in the trenches. When two guys are going mano y mano, and are playing with good technique, the bigger guy is going to win most of the time.
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Generally speaking, the size that matters most is the size of the guy's heart.

Barry Sanders - 5'8""
Walter Payton - 5'10"
Emmitt Smith - 5'10"

Poor guys never stood a chance against those huge defensive linemen, huh?

Bob Sanders - 5'8"
Pacman Jones - 5'9"

These guys routinely shut down WR's who are a good 6-10" taller.

IMO, the only area where size is truly a factor is up front, in the trenches. When two guys are going mano y mano, and are playing with good technique, the bigger guy is going to win most of the time.
It matters for certain positions. RB is not one of them, infact it's actually an advantage to be shoter.
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Where size really does matter for the most part is pass rushing DE's. Dwight Freeney of course is the exception to this rule. Generally great pass rushing DE's have to have decent height, at least around 6'3 or 6'4. Smaller guys often don't have that much success.
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Generally speaking, the size that matters most is the size of the guy's heart.

Barry Sanders - 5'8""
Walter Payton - 5'10"
Emmitt Smith - 5'10"

Poor guys never stood a chance against those huge defensive linemen, huh?

Bob Sanders - 5'8"
Pacman Jones - 5'9"

These guys routinely shut down WR's who are a good 6-10" taller.

IMO, the only area where size is truly a factor is up front, in the trenches. When two guys are going mano y mano, and are playing with good technique, the bigger guy is going to win most of the time.
pacman is listed at 5'10 but anyway who does pacman routinely play against thats 6'4 to 6'8" size matters in every position. theres an ideal height and weight for every position.
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pacman is listed at 5'10 but anyway who does pacman routinely play against thats 6'4 to 6'8" size matters in every position. theres an ideal height and weight for every position.
Agreed, most corners are 5'10.
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He does play against Jacksonville WR. Nuff said
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Of course size matters. Yes there are casses which the players heart makes up for the size, but if size didn't matter then why wasn't Troy Smith a 1st or 2nd round pick? Why wasn't Chris Leak drafted? Why was Calvin Johnson regarded as the best prospect this year, and why did all these undersized guys, fall so far in the draft. NFL teams know what they're doing.
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For lineman size is huge, the taller you are the longer your arms are, which allow for more reach. Also a fast and tall wr can be unstoppable in single coverage even if he lacks intangibles like route running which the smaller and slower players use to make up for their physical shortcomings.
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Height can always help in the draft. Just look at Calais Campbell. That kid is a massive 6'8. Although, it doesnt mean you still cant be successful in the NFL. DeMeco Ryans was listed as "too short" and look what he did last year. He probably fell to the 2nd round because of his height difference.
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there are hall of famers who are undersized, and there are giants who cant even get on the feild. but, in general, size matters incredibly. sure zack thomas has heart and a mind for MLB. but you dont think he would be even better in say...urlachers body?
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Of course size matters. Yes there are casses which the players heart makes up for the size, but if size didn't matter then why wasn't Troy Smith a 1st or 2nd round pick? Why wasn't Chris Leak drafted? Why was Calvin Johnson regarded as the best prospect this year, and why did all these undersized guys, fall so far in the draft. NFL teams know what they're doing.
Why was Garrett Wolfe a 3rd round pick?
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he went to NIU...that had some to do with it...but the size was alot to
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Pac Man's almost 5'10, which is why he's listed as that on many sites. He may be around 5'9 3/4 or something like that. He'll tell everyone that he's 5'10 though. Its likely an ego thing.

And Pac doesn't "routinely" play against 6'5 WR's, but the point was that the height doesn't make that much of a difference. Pac is very fast, and is such a good leaper that he can help handicap the taller receiver in his height advantage. Also, Jacksonville's WR's average around 6'4 or so. Andre Johnson is 6'3, which is a 5 inch difference.

I'll throw in Steve Smith for the "size doesn't matter" discussion.
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